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Yeah, I hear y’all on the whole Yankee thing lol. I just wanted to say that the group that y’all are planning seems to be one of the best ideas I’ve ran across in a while. My family is mostly from the Peidmont area of Va and Sc (Orange County, Va; Louisa County, Va; Lancaster County, Sc; and Chestor County, Sc) and we have sooo many stories of Indeginous ancestors in our family. My Great Grandmother was born in Arkansas and my great grandmother said her mother was an “Indian”. I’m not too sure exactly which tribe because I never asked her. People like myself with the blood that want to get back into the culture should have a place we can go to without persecution and akward looks. Good idea y’all!:)
Tonio wrote: Yeah, I hear y’all on the whole Yankee thing lol. I just wanted to say that the group that y’all are planning seems to be one of the best ideas I’ve ran across in a while. My family is mostly from the Peidmont area of Va and Sc (Orange County, Va; Louisa County, Va; Lancaster County, Sc; and Chestor County, Sc) and we have sooo many stories of Indeginous ancestors in our family. My Great Grandmother was born in Arkansas and my great grandmother said her mother was an “Indian”. I’m not too sure exactly which tribe because I never asked her. People like myself with the blood that want to get back into the culture should have a place we can go to without persecution and akward looks. Good idea y’all!:)
I agree!! 😀 😀 😀
I am glad to see you here. I was born in New Jersey and now live in Virginia, so I can understand about the whole Yankee joke too (smile). I hope you found some family connections here on Saponitown. The information here is inspiring to so many people. I wish you only the best in your endeavors here at Saponitown.
Thank you. I have found much information here. I like this site a lot because it places much focus on the Siouan tribes. Many Historians have overlooked the Southeasrn Siouan tribes. If I may, I’d like to refer a book. It’s called “Indian Slavery and the Rise of the English Empire”. It is funny how the stories my surviving G-Grandmother (From Chester, SC) has been telling me is coming into unison with that particular book. Many of the women and children where sold into slavery following the Tuscarora and Yamessee wars. For many decendants it’s almost impossible to figure out which tribe we’ve origionated from because of the evils of the slave trade. This is why I’m a proud supporter of this Association being planed. If there is anything I can do to help this Association get on it’s feet, please let me know.
Oh! It’s important to note that not only where the Siouan people enslaved, but many, many Algonquin people where enslaved as well.
There are records I’ve seen of Indians being enslaved, BUT where were they sold off to? Most of the records I’ve seen speak of them being sent to the West Indies. It would be hard to keep people enslaved on their own turf. They know how to escape. Even during the Beaver Wars when so many tribes were taking other tribes as captives it was common to haul them a good distance from where they’d come for, and also to trade them to some other tribe so the new captives would have less resentment towards their new tribe and family.
I’ve also heard of some Indian captives from here being sold in New York City. I’ve heard of family stories of Indian people in the later ante bellum days being sentenced to bondage on trumped up charges, who couldn’t run off because their families were nearby.
Does this book you mention have good sources establishing that Indians who were slaves in the Upper South actually originated in the Upper South? What stories does you great-grandmother tell?
The book does speak of Indians being sold into the Carribean slave market in large numbers, but the book also says that many (Maybe not the majority, but a significant number) Indians where sold within the 13 colonies (Mainly Virginia, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina). The Tuscarora slaves where removed to Pennsylvania in large numbers, but because the fear of a Tuscarora and Iriqouis uprising they stoped the Tuscarora’s from being sold in Pennsylvania or anywhere near the Iriqouis because the two where militarily alighned. The book does have references as to where you can find all of this information (Inside the book).
She really can’t tell me which tribe he decended from because he very rarely discused his Indian heritage from my understanding. It’s like he wanted to hide it. She (Like myself) is assuming that he was from an Eastern Siouan tribe. Most Cherokee’s and larger tribes near upstate SC had rolls and kept their kin close. She only remembers him saying that his people where in (What we know as) South Carolina for a reeeeaaally long time. Even before most colonist got there.
Tonio wrote: The book does speak of Indians being sold into the Carribean slave market in large numbers, but the book also says that many (Maybe not the majority, but a significant number) Indians where sold within the 13 colonies (Mainly Virginia, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina). The Tuscarora slaves where removed to Pennsylvania in large numbers, but because the fear of a Tuscarora and Iriqouis uprising they stoped the Tuscarora’s from being sold in Pennsylvania or anywhere near the Iriqouis because the two where militarily alighned. The book does have references as to where you can find all of this information (Inside the book).
She really can’t tell me which tribe he decended from because he very rarely discused his Indian heritage from my understanding. It’s like he wanted to hide it. She (Like myself) is assuming that he was from an Eastern Siouan tribe. Most Cherokee’s and larger tribes near upstate SC had rolls and kept their kin close. She only remembers him saying that his people where in (What we know as) South Carolina for a reeeeaaally long time. Even before most colonist got there.
That sounds like an interesting book Tonio. I know I lived in the caribbean for almost 10 years, and it is pretty common knowledge that the slaves there came from both Africa and North America. The British, English, and Spaniards would trade slaves from each other right there in San Juan, PR and in Ponce. So it is easy to see how many eastern natives could have been enslaved and wound up mixing with African origin slaves, and then wound up anywhere from the Caribbean to Mexico to anywhere in Central or South America or even back up into what became US territory. They often used those slaves to gather gold and ship it, and other valuable resources. The spaniards were pretty merciless and tried to work them to death. The spaniards had regular shipping routes throughout all those regions, to bring their loot back to San Juan’s protected harbors, to be sent back to Spain, or to pay slave and other types of traders from Europe or Africa. It was along those shipping and trade routes that the pirate activity exploded in popularity.
The Taino tribe in Puerto Rico would often absorb the escaped slaves and even help them escape. It is possible some of them may have pieces of the puzzle if someone asks. I have met their chief, a great guy, he only speaks Spanish but I am sure he would be thrilled to help out anyone who sought info he had access to. They also have access to some of the old records the Spanish kept that might help people in their personal searches for ancestors. The tale I often heard down there was that many of the escaped slaves and Tainos escaped the spaniard armies and slaughter by stowing onboard trader’s vessels, or on rafts and canoes they made, and going to live and take refuge with the Seminole in Florida. So maybe they can be of assistance to some too.
Tonio,
Is your Massey family from South Carolina ? I’m descended from the Massey Family, known to have lived in Lincoln Co. and Gaston co. in N.C., then between 1850-1860 moved to York Co. S.C.
There was a extensive Indian Slave trade that flourished in the Carolinas that had a devastating impact on Native tribal groups, many Indians were taken captive and sold in the Slave markets in Europe, Charleston, S.C., and sold in the West Indies..
we know that Squanto, Manteo, and Wanchese are just a few natives seized sold into slavery in Europe and made their way back to their tribal homelands.
Also I’m sure we all remember reading about the Salem witch trials, well what many people don’t realize is that Tituba was a Carib Indian, as was her husband Indian John, and their daughter Violet, they were enslaved and brought to the Massachusetts Colony from Barbados by their owners…
I remember reading that many tribal groups in South Carolina once they were surrounded by white neighbors they became known as settlement indians, and then it became required that they purchase certificates that proclaimed them to be Indians, and if they did not purchase the certificates they pretty much lost their status as indians, and became taxables, Mulattos, or Free persons of Color..
generally If a Reservation was established for a tribal group they were appointed overseers, who really profited from the sale of timber or land from the reservation, and suddenly the Indians were not Indians anymore but negroes which often enabled the oveeerseers to sell the reservation land, so it was a trend that once a tribal group became landless or settled near white settlements, or granted a small reservation tract and started to become christianized, adopt English names etc..they lost their identity as indian People
Yeah, my family is from the Catawba river area. This is my mothers fathers side. They are from Lancaster, South Carolina and have lived there since the 1820’s (That’s what I’m assuming since the US census can’t go back any further than the 1800’s). They may have lived in that area longer than the 1800’s, but my grandfathers, mothers side of the family is origionally from North Carolina (Near present day Charlotte and the Catawba river). They owned (If I’m not mistaken) 15 acres of land in upstate SC (Near the Catawba river). They where listed as “Free persons of Color” or Black. My grandfather showed us a potrait of his mother and she looks exactly like a Native American, but she was listed on the census as Black. He said she was a Cherokee. My grandfathers-grandfather was listed on the census as “Mulatto”.
Chester, SC
Hey Tonio.
Think my folks were married in Chester. Under aged Virginians would go down there to get hitched.
Where are your Kings and Cranks from?
The Cranks are from my fathers side. They are from Chestor South Carolina and if I’m not mistaken so are the Kings. My surviving G-Grandmother said that he was a “mixed Indian”.
My Virginia ancestors surnames (So far) are:
Christian; Waller; Thompson; and Jefferson. They’re from Orange (Gordonsville) and Louisa (Green Springs) Counties in Virginia.
JungleGeorge – My parents know some of the Walker family, can you give me the counties/towns or surnames and I will ask them to provide me with any information that they have?
Tonio – My grandmother told us that her grandmother (who remembered Abe Lincoln) said that they had to birth their babies by the Roanoke River for the fear of enslavement, so they had to hide. This correlates with so many stories that you hear about on Saponitown and that are being collaborated through other relatives/families.
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