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I’m thinking of starting a group by that name. There are enough of us, we could do with more of a sense of community, and there are enough of us to undertake some wortwhile projects. What do you all think?
Linda I think it is a great idea.
I’d object to usin’ the term “tribe” or “nation”, but “Association” is perfect. I’m burned out of all these groups callin’ themselves the “Cherokee Nation of one state or another”, unless they have achieved State recognition or are at laest legitimately seekin it — too much backbiting and infighting.
I have a copy of the bylaws of the Cherokee Heritage Cultural Society of Houston, Tx — somewhere. They are one of the few groups containing enrolled and unenrolled Cherokees that Principle Chief Chad Smith of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma will visit.
vance
Here’s their website —
http://www.powersource.com/cherokee/
Their bylaws are on their webpage. I presume you are wantin’ to try somethin’ like what they are doing. You don’t have to be “Cherokee” or prove you are Cherokee to join them.
vance
Good stuff. Yes, it would be kind of absurd for us to be asking anybody for proof that they are something the world does not officially consider to exist. haha.
We would probably need to have our annual meeting in cyberspace. Although, it would be nice to plan get togethers now and then to the extent possible. That’s as far as I’ve gotten down the by-laws. More later.
Linda:
I would be interested in such an organization. It would (I am struggling to find the word here.) validate ?? my grandmothers who were mistreated for their heritage.
I wonder if you ought to copy this posting in other places on this forum. Maybe folks haven’t seen it who have been visiting other threads more regularly. Think so?
Cindy
If we keep talking about it, the thread will stay on top and more people will notice. Let’s kick it around here a little and get some ideas of what our mission would be, then we can do a mailing to everybody on the forum, and everybody I’ve heard from privately who might be interested.
You just provided one bullet to the mission — providing validation to all the families with that heritage. I’d like another to be that whatever kind of fundraising we do, we do scholarships to help teach our young people cultural elements. However undocumented or unproven things may still stand, I think we can be confident that our heritage comes out of the VA/NC area, and there are songs, dances, etc. that have been kept alive at Six Nations that derive from here. I’d like to be able to seek out some kind of exchange with them that would enable some of our young people to spend some time there learning some of these things.
Some of the old folks like myself would like the cultural information too. Since my family has systematically hidden their heritage and consequently, mine, I have wanted to learn about this heritage. However, because my resources are limited to the Web right now, and there are many sites out there that label me as a “twinkie” and a “wannabe”, I feel somewhat inhibited from doing anything that puts me in a position to be name-called. I hope this organization would provide this kind of information to those of us who are really “wannaknows”.
One thing I definitely want to do with this is to give those people who’ve signed on access to a private area of this board where we can post a database of our family information. At least at this level, it will be very open. Basically, anybody who’s interested who doesn’t abuse the data and agrees to maintain privacy, i.e. not go publishing personal family information all over. I don’t know, does that sound like it will provide enough protection so that we can freely share info on family lines?
Uhm.. what tribe are you refering to the Algonkwin speakers? The Blackfoot you’re posting are from MONTANA and CANADA. The Saponi are Siouan speaking people. That would be like the Catawba, Biloxi, Dakota, Lakota, Nakota, Omaha, Ponca, Iowa, Osage, Quapaw, Kaw etc. etc… Nothing to do with any Algonkwin speaking people like the Ojibwa, Cheyenne, Powhatan Chiefdom etc etc or any Iroquoian speakers like the Six Nations, Wyandot, Erie or Cherokee. I’m wondering what all of this Ancient Native and Japanese stuff is. Absolute ish! I’m sorry but everything you talk about sounds exactly like every other wannabe I’ve come across. I find no relevance to anything you say. And anyone who is a real ndn knows you do not mention anything spiritual or ceremonial with anyone outside your circle. You really show what you are when you post anything. Throwing out every name in your family tree saying that they are some ‘ancient native’ when they are pretty obviously white as snow. As for you supposed Cheyenne claims and friends they are absolute bull. I have many Cheyenne friends in Lame Deer with family in Oklahoma as well. I asked around about your claims and they are false. If you know Cheyennes like you say then I’m sure you know the Blackwolf and Roundstone families. I’m sure you don’t so thats ok. This claim of a Brant daughter and Roman nose to ‘lighten the tribe’? What are you smoking? My Cheyenne friends got a laugh from that. Please refrain from trying to be a source on something you don’t know because you confuse too many here who are looking for answers. They dont need to be sent on anymore of a goose chase or take you as an example to follow and really tarnish anyones name who claims ancestry from the Saponi and related peole. I’ve said my piece.. if it gets me booted from this site so be it. This had to be said by someone.
Don’t carry this argument forward. I doubt if I will ever ban anybody, except of course those two guys posting the porno sites, but they weren’t members of this forum, anyway. However I do have a feeling the last two posts are going to disappear overnight.
Before I was reading this website I was thinkin’ Blackfoot and Lakota were enemies up in the Northern Plains, and the Lakota booted them & others off the Black Hills — but I probably just got them mixed up with someone else, maybe Cree & Kiowa? Cr21, maybe you can set my memory straight — wado.
I just thought of something. “Tallyho” very similar to “Tuckahoe”– both ending in e/a-ho. Forget the Japanese seein’ as it is on the East Coast of America that the term came from! Now if “Tuckahoe” had come from California, of course Dennis, you might have something there! But it was a group of early Englishmen! 🙂
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It was the Cheyenne and the Arikara that were moved off the Black Hills. As for Lakotas marrying Blackfoot or Ojibwe I dont see that happening since they were enemies. There is a blackfoot band in the Lakota. This is not referring to the Blackfoot of Montana and Canada. A completely different people.
Patty,
I see that you have some surnames that I am also interested in: James, Baker and Hubbard. These are not my direct lines but they have come up in related research.
I have a Jesse James who married a Jetha Viney in Kanawha county, West Va, May 4, 1893. On their marriage registration both of them are listed as “colored” and were born in Halifax County, Va. I don’t have any info on the Jesse James but some Viney lines in Va. and WVA. have been identified in local records as being of “Indian extraction”. What county is your James family from in NC? Were they ever in VA? What county were your Hubbards from in Indiana?
I have a Sarah Viney who married a Peyton Baker in Giles County, Va., Dec. 23, 1879.
There are also Hensleys listed among the Western Cherokee Nation; have you had any oral history in that direction
Bess.
yikes!
things are heatin’ up.
a couple of points on this broad thread.
1) DK ‘s ancient material spans way beyond the scope of our query – before modern racial developments. All valueable in the broad view of human relations. lets focus on Saponi VA / Nc related historic / contact forward material.
2) The above discourse is a good example of how we lost the continent, and highlights alot of the confusion and variety of the “blackfoot” ID
3) Tuckahoe proper is Virginia Algonquian, period. Variations within dialects exists (like maybe Tockwogh town, fringe Powhatan dialect). However, since the English first settled and began recording written history in Virginia this land is the origination of Tuckahoe in English, as a loan word. Powhatan has the distinction of having the most loan / loan-blend words in English of any native language, because of the early and prolonged contact. That version is extant from Virginia – any variation is another matter.
4) its easier to document Saponi / Tutelo material than blackfoot, because we know where to start.
There would be no problem about membership to the Eastern Blackfoot Descendant’s Association. The questions are simple 1) Are your people from the east and carry the story that you all are “Blackfoot.” 3) Are you interested in finding out what that means? A yes answer to EITHER of these questions qualifies one to be a part of the implied inquiry.
We are not forming a tribe with restrictions on membership. That would be absurd. We don’t know if this ID signifies an original tribe, or something an amalgamated group in later times came to call itself, or both. We are what we are, a group of descendants trying to figure out what this ID means.
I personally feel convinced that it harks back to a largely Eastern Siouan identity, and have identified with that. Given the preponderance of those types of surnames and other bits of evidence, that certainly is a significant enough chunk of what’s going on for me to feel justified exploring those cultural elements. I would not say the Association would militate against other interpretations, but that does seem to be the direction the majority of those involved are in at present.
The only difference between the formal group and what we have going here is that there would be a restricted area with greater controls, where more private family info could be shared, and the group can adopt a decision making structure with which to undertake some projects. And as Techteach pointed out, we will be giving our family traditions a level of dignity that’s been sorely lacking. There’s been enough ridicule and dismissal of this heritage. I think taken together with what we have already uncovered, we can’t be dismissed, except by a very close minded and biased perspective.
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