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Hello Everyone!!
Pappy Dick, I really, really, really want to talk to you 🙂
My first book, “Haunted Chambers: the Lives of Early Women Freemasons” is due out in a few weeks. One of the chapters in the book was about Catherine Babington, the grand daughter of the Benjamin Ulen (of various spellings).
Shortly before “Haunted Chambers” went to the printer, my publisher let me know he wanted to rerelease the biography of Catherine Babington, which had been written by her son, J.P. Babington, in the early 20th Century. My publisher asked me to write a detailed forward for the rerelease and I accepted.
This effectively gives me a second change to write about more than just her Masonic history. I would love to know more about her mother’s family, the Ulens, headed up by Benjamin.
I’d also love to know more (than just his name) about her father, Charles Sweet, who died when she was quite young but I don’t know how. I know only that Catherine, her mother and younger brother moved into with the Ulen clan after Charles Sweet died.
I did come across something today that, though this thread is quite old, might be of interest. It seems the Rockland County Messenger of Warren Village, Haverstraw, NY, published on Thursday, Nov. 22, 1860, a version of how “Ullin’s Leap” got its name. That front page article can be downloaded from here:
http://www.localarchives.org/WorkArea/downloadasset.aspx?id=90805
The retelling starts in the second column from the left, top of the page.
I’m very glad to be here 🙂
Imakegarb;33648 wrote: Pappy Dick, I really, really, really want to talk to you 🙂
Well, I am still here, on occasion.
I have that Benjamin Ulen stuff somewhere, may have to excavate a bit to find it. I was pretty well convinced long ago that he’s not actually a relative of mine — but I hardly ever throw anything away, once I’ve worked on it. So he’s around here someplace.
I think I sent you a “personal message,” but there has been a recent upgrade to the software for this site and that’s one of the things that doesn’t look the same as it used to. If you are able to reply to it, we can swap email addresses there, without sharing them with the broader world.
Benjamin Ulen (Sr.) was for some time adopted by Indian people, but they weren’t Saponi (or Eastern Siouan) so there’s not much point in posting that whole story here. (Although if I hadn’t previously mentioned him here, you’d never have found my records about him.) Also, the actual document telling his story belongs to the Wisconsin Historical Society, and isn’t in the public domain — I couldn’t post it without permission.
I don’t know anything about Charles Sweet, or other descendants not named Ulen (Ulin, Hulin, etc.).
I’ve downloaded that newspaper page, haven’t read it yet — the type is tiny. Will try to see if it tells more than I have on file. Chances are, it does. Haverstraw is an odd place for it to turn up. But there was a big camp-meeting ground there, and some of his descendants were in the Methodist evangelism line of work — maybe they were preaching there or something. (I guess if I read it I’ll find out, duh.)
Pappy
Pappy, have you ever seen Ulm as a variant of Ulen? I have some in Berkshire, WV ca. 1710. There’s a million variants, Ulem, Woolem, Ulm, etc.
I haven’t seen it as a variant; maybe have seen it, though. As far as I know, Ulm is a town on the Danube River — I think, in the Czech Republic, but I doubt if I have a map modern enough to show that. There’s also some ancient Indian historical account, or transcribed legend, called the Walam Ulem — or something pretty close to that. My memory of it is very sketchy. It was maybe published in the 1830s by someone whose scholarly credentials were highly suspect? I guess I could clear away the fog by checking Google or Wikipedia…
Oh, yeah. Rafinesque. Here it is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walam_Olum
Pappy
The family story was that the Ulms were German. They were certainly part of a German settlement in Lancaster County, PA ca. 1740. They then moved into Berkeley, WV.
Linda,
You do know that my Greens and Butts are from Berkeley, WV? I went there last summer on vacation. You can see some of the pix here: http://dennis-william-butt.com/Additional%20Photo’s.htm#Additional%20Photo’s,%20Newspaper%20Articles,%20Maps,%20etc.
I also went through central PA where the Sinkeys (and I believe Hustons) were from. Some of those pix are there too. It was near Huntingdon, PA.
Techteach
Hi Everyone!!
Ooooooh, but it’s good to be back. I couldn’t log in yesterday 😮
PoppyDick, if you open that link in Adobe reader, if you look near the top, you should see a place where you can change the percentage of the image. When it comes to newspapers like this, I usually put that sitting to about $150 percent. Otherwise . . . yeah, it’s a little hard on my old eyes.
I replied to your PM 🙂
Imakegarb;33667 wrote: I replied to your PM 🙂
I can’t find it, and haven’t received any notice of it yet… What I see in the User area is, the last personal message to me was in 2007. Dunno if my Inbox is full, or what.
Linda, Ulm is in actually in southern Germany. I used to have a pen pal there, in the early 1950s (gasp), and he was Czech. But the city isn’t.
Pappy
Yes, I thought I remembered some story about the family bearing the name of the town, though I couldn’t find it in my cousin’s genealogy tome the other day.
Tech Teach, I have a John Ulm, who was born in Berkeley, WV 1788. While in Chillicothe, OH, he married an Elizabeth Smith, who was born in VA. They had four kids while in Sullivan, Indiana, (near the Blackfoot Church) till 1828, then moved to Wabash, IL. Two of their daughters, Eleanor and Elizabeth, married two brothers, William and Thomas Harris. Those four all died in Viroqua, WI. They got there around 1856.
Thomas and Eleanor were my Francis Marion Harris’s parents (he’s pictured in my Other Blackfoot article) So he was a Smith. Perhaps the Smith side accounts for his appearance. And he married a Hudson, whose family goes back to MD, near the Blackfoot Town.
German men appreciated Indian wives. It’s that strong ethic valuing hard-working helpmates, which they certainly were. Kind of odd sex appeal, but it seemed to work for them. Not a single story of anybody every straying . . .
There’s a new member coming onboard who’s a Sinkey. I told her to look for you. Her family ended up in Camanche, Iowa.
Camanche is a stone’s throw from where my Sinkey’s were. Has to be a cousin.
And we do have Smith in our line. I had an uncle with the surname Smith. One of my cousins, his kids, is really NA in appearance, but then her mother, my mother’s sister, is too. (Many of the ladies I meet out west look like my grandmother.)
Techteach
Do you know anything about where those Smiths were from?
Also, could you re-post a link to that DNA service you used that gave the percentage breakdown of ethnic roots? Aunt Betty is ill, she still talks with regret about the MtDNA test we did that revealed nothing. Maybe we can try this test and cheer her up.
70. NANCY7 HUSTON (ELIZABETH6 GREEN, REGINAL (REGNAL) GREEN5 SR., WILLIAM4 GREEN I, ROBERT3 GREENE, THOMAS2, THOMAS1) was born November 22, 1817 in Licking Co, Ohio, and died November 20, 1890 in Jackson Co, Iowa. She married MATTHEW SINKEY Abt. 1834 in Licking Co, Ohio, son of WILLIAM SINKEY and MARY MCCARTNEY. He was born September 25, 1805 in Huntingdon Co, Pennsylvania, and died February 03, 1894 in Jackson Co, Iowa.
More About NANCY HUSTON:
Burial: Hickory Grove Cemetery, Maquoketa, Jackson Co, Iowa
More About MATTHEW SINKEY:
Burial: Hickory Grove Cemetery, Maquoketa, Jackson Co, Iowa
Children of NANCY HUSTON and MATTHEW SINKEY are:
155. i. ELIZABETH8 SINKEY, b. February 08, 1833, Hartford Twp, Ohio; d. January 07, 1912, EmelineJackson Co, Iowa.
156. ii. MARY SINKEY, b. September 20, 1836, Tower, Deleware Co, Ohio; d. September 26, 1907, Jackson Co, Iowa.
157. iii. ELIZABETH LOUISE “ELIZA” SINKEY, b. August 21, 1842, Licking Co, Ohio; d. March 16, 1909, Maquoketa, Jackson Co, Iowa–age 66 years, 6 months, & 25 days.
iv. ANDREW JACKSON SINKEY, b. 1843, Licking Co, Ohio; d. January 23, Anamosa, Iowa; m. MARY JO HEATH, July 04, 1865, Jackson Co, Iowa.
v. JOHN SINKEY, b. Abt. 1846, Licking Co, Ohio; d. February 11, 1863, Memphis, Tennessee–Civil War.
vi. WILLIAM SINKEY, b. Abt. 1847, Licking Co, Ohio; d. 1896, Iowa; m. ANGELINE SMITH.
vii. DANIEL BOONE SINKEY, b. February 12, 1848, Emeline, Jackson Co, Iowa; d. December 19, 1915, Ozark, Jackson Co, Iowa; m. SARAH JANE HEATH.
158. viii. ELDAD C. SINKEY, b. July 11, 1850, Canton, Jones Co, Iowa; d. November 04, 1914, Monmouth, Jackson Co, Iowa.
ix. ALBERT SINKEY, b. Abt. 1853, Jackson Co, Iowa; d. December 17, 1909, Independence, Jackson Co, Iowa.
x. LOUISE SINKEY, b. 1858, Jackson Co, Iowa; m. ? WRAY.
xi. CANDACE SINKEY, b. 1859, Jackson Co, Iowa; m. JAMES C. RAY.
xii. MILAN SINKEY, b. 1861, Maquoketa, Jackson Co, Iowa; d. Clinton, Clinton Co, Iowa; m. SUSIE.
While this is just one Smith, there are more on this list: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohlcgs2/lostpioneer.htm Some of these lost pioneers are not lost. My ancestor is William Sinkey. I told them that he is in Hickory Grove Cemetery in Emeline, IA but they did not change this.
And I used http://www.genetree.com.
Techteach
I am so glad the gods of the Internet were kind and let me back in tonight. I wanted to publicly thank Pappy Dick as he made a real effort to get with me when I couldn’t get logged back in here (I still don’t know what happened; must be something on my end).
I now have the scanned document and it has provided enough new information to prompt me to rethink a few theories of mine.
Thank you Pappy Dick for all your effort and thank you to all on this forum 🙂
Linda;3899 wrote: With impeccable timing Airy Dixon (Heriberto Dixon, PhD) has just sent me a copy of an article he’s written that has just been published in the “American Indian Culture and Research Journal: 26:3 (200) 63-84
At the Quakers & Native Americans Conference I recently attended there was a panel discussion on The Quakers and the Seneca. One of the speakers was Laurence M. Hauptman. He spoke about groups that merged into the Haudenosaunee. During the question and answer period I asked about Saponi/Siouan groups that merged into the Seneca. He took my name and promised to send me more info. A few weeks later I got a package from Airy Dixon including the pages of the journal you referenced. Working to absorb that info and this thread. As much time as I’ve spent on SaponiTown there always seem to be new threads I find with pertinent info!
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