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tarcarion wrote: Pat,
Your book is awesome. I need to read it again. There’s so much info there, too much to absorb in one reading. Thanks so much for the hard work. “Bad money”, nah, you’re “good people” I’d say. One question, have you ever heard the name Bowman associated with the Melungeon community? I saw on a website recently, can’t remember whose, where they listed the name as possibly Melungeon.
rockhound,
Also, if you don’t have “Melungeons and Other Pioneer Families” by Jack Goins, you should get it. While at the doctor’s office today, I was reading my copy and he was discussing the Riddle (Ridle, Ridley) family, Moses, William and Happy (Rogers) Riddle in particular. If you have the book, it starts on page 71 in a section called Melungeons at New River. A good read too!
Jim
Hello Jim….I have never heard of the surname Bowman being connected to the Melungeon’s as a group however I have seen references to them being NDN and too, the photos of them are very telling. I think that Cherokee is the primary opinion as to their heritage however I have not seen proof of that just yet.
You may likely already have this information but I wanted to pass this along to you:
Source: located July 2006: census notes @ he and extended family:
1870 Harlan Co., KY
Mt. Pleasant; Page 12; hh 84-84
Bowman, Hawkins; 77; male; Indian
Nancy; 50; Indian
John; 17; Indian
Thomas; 14 Indian
Elijah; 12; Indian
Nancy; 16 Indian
# 85-85
Eldridge, Susan; 60; white
Jane; 22; white
Keziah; 20 white (m. Jacob Cole)
Marth; 18; white
#86-86
Cole, Eliza; 28; Indian (all b. VA VA VA)
….Almeda; 12; Indian
Jacob; 14; Indian
Robert; 10; Indian
Mary Jane; 6; Indian
Mollie; 1/12; Indian
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1860 Lee Co., VA
Roll: M653_1357; Page: 726; 330/342
Coal, John ; 61; Linkham?, NC Indian /71 (maybe Lincoln Co., NC)
…Eliza ; 18; Scott Co., VA Indian (Eliza Bowman)
…Elizabeth; 15; Knox Co., KY Indian
…Jacob; 2; Lee Co., VA Indian
…Elmira ; 1; Lee Co., VA Indian
# 331/343
Jones, Wm. ; 65; VA; Value 0 /221
Lunsford, Wm. J. ; 8; Carter Co., KY
Coal, Eliza; 26; Lee Co., VA; Indian (d/o John ‘Jack’ Cole)
….Jane; 9; Claiborne Co., TN; Indian
….Elizabeth; 5; Lee Co., VA; Indian
# 333/345
Coal, Abner; 20; TN
…Martha; 18; Lee Co., VA
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There is one book that I located in referrence to the BOWMAN surname…I did contact this author but was not given any specific information elluding to who exactly is in this publication but it might be a great source if you wish to purchase it:
Source: for further reading? located Sept 2006:
“The Bowman and Related Families of Claiborne County”, was compiled by Roy Bowman. It is a large hardback book. It costs $35.00 plus $3.50 postage. Contact Roy Bowman, 11502 Bear Paw Path, San Antonio, TX 78245, phone 210-675-5681.
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Cousin Aubrey has the copies of the affidavit and deeds that also state that Hawkins Bowman and his CH were NDN, if you do not have those, I can pass a transcribed copy along to you as well.
Additionally, for Hawkins’ dau Mary (who MD Hiram Fugate) she is listed in the 1910 census in Rosehill, Lee Co, VA as Indian…I have viewed that census but have not yet transcribed it.
Hawkins’ dau Lucinda’s Lee Co, VA death record aslso lists her as NDN as such:
Lee Co VA, Rose Hill: Lucinda BOWMAN, f Indian, single, b dont know, about 75y, d 21 Dec 1926, b KY, d/o Hawkins BOWMAN, b Indian Terr, & Dont know, KY, Josie MARSHAL, inf, bur McLin Graveyard
Source above: Lee County, Virginia
Death Records
by Jack Hockett, Collegeville, PA.
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It might be helpful to delve into all of the Bowman surname deaths in Lee Co, VA…thus far this is the listing that I show:
Source: located Sept 2006; Lee Co, KY BOWMAN deaths:
BOWMAN ALICE — 21 08 16 U/1
BOWMAN DANIEL — 20 11 21 008
BOWMAN ELEX — 14 01 03 001
BOWMAN GEORGE Jr. 13 07 05 U/1
BOWMAN IDA B 27 05 26 047
BOWMAN LOLA — 13 05 05 U/1
BOWMAN MARTHA — 20 03 17 026
BOWMAN MAUDIE — 22 09 23 U/1
BOWMAN RICHARD W 29 03 17 002
BOWMAN WILLIAM A 24 10 22 053
BOWMAN WILLIS — 14 08 09 022
BOWMAN CLAUDE E 48 3 27 66
BOWMAN DAISY J 36 7 11 5
BOWMAN DAVID — 39 11 27 90
BOWMAN FRANK — 32 8 6 54
BOWMAN HAZEL — 35 11 19 20
BOWMAN JAMES — 40 8 11 30
BOWMAN JOHN — 44 1 29 58
BOWMAN JOSIE — 55 6 30 78
BOWMAN MARY — 49 1 8 90***
BOWMAN NANCY — 35 3 21 56
BOWMAN ROBERT L 44 12 13 73
BOWMAN ROBERT D 41 1 29 71
BOWMAN SALLIE — 35 2 24 U/1
BOWMAN WHITE — 51 4 5 40***
BOWMAN LILLIE J 59 11 6 0
BOWMAN ELGIN — 68 4 24 66***
BOWMAN JOHN — 66 4 23 79
BOWMAN LUCY W 67 4 19 80
BOWMAN NATHAN — 72 12 30 52
BOWMAN NATHAN — 72 12 30 52
BOWMAN ROBERT — 75 6 25 68
BOWMAN CECIL — 84 4 16 72 ***
BOWMAN DELILAH M 81 11 29 78
BOWMAN MARGARET R 81 8 16 65
BOWMAN SARAH R 86 1 31 66
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*I think that if you can locate a good reasonably priced person to fetch some of these DC copies they might be right helpful…wish I knew a VA researcher but at present I do not…for any of your “kin” that died in KY I do have a fella willing to retrieve DC copies for only $2.00 apiece.
If you have a family surname that died in Harlan Co, KY juts drop me an email and I’ll fetch a copy of that/those DC for you. Keep hunting….chat with you anon. Blessings~~~Laurie
BlondeyeLaurie wrote: ==================================================
It might be helpful to delve into all of the Bowman surname deaths in Lee Co, VA…thus far this is the listing that I show:
Source: located Sept 2006; Lee Co, KY BOWMAN deaths:
Where can I find this source?
rockhound wrote: Where can I find this source?
Rock….go to the VA Genweb site and locate the Lee County “parent directory”…you can scroll down all of the folders and open each online URL loci one at a time…or even “tweek” it to locate an item you are searchign for….I kinda get “lost” in those parent direcories at times and have with continued effort been able to locate some neat info. If for example the directory is for births in year 1865….you can oft times “tweek or alter” the URL in your address browser by changing the year to another one to retrieve the online file…that is precisely how I located this listing…which, by the way I inadvertently typed as Lee Co, KY….when in fact it IS Lee Co, VA…I know that this line of Bowmans went back and forth quite a bit between Lee Co, VA and also Harlan Co, KY…soem are buried in the Brittain Cemetery in Rose Hill, Lee Co, VA and apparently some may also be buried in the McLin Cemetery in the same town…when I searched for the McLin Cemetery/Graveyard I was able to see that over 100 cemeteries are within a 10 mile radius of it…now THAT would be a neat place to scour. Both cemeteries are located off of St Rt 58 which is also called the Daniel Boone Trail and when I looked at the maps, it rather suprised me just how close Harlan Co, KY was to Lee Co, VA. (I’m a true directional bimbo, *shrugs*.) Sorry I cannot be more concise with you but when I get to digging and bop into a parent directory listing…it’s all greek to me. if I can locate the exact URL in my faves I’ll certainly post it here. Blessings~~~Laurie
Rockhound
Last pm I was researching my mothers relatives in Estill Co Ky on the 1810 and 1850 federal Census I noticed quite a few Riddles, have you checked them out. In my research of my g-parents Tayloy and Emily Emma Muncie Dunaway it took me back to a Sarah Rogers and Issac Dunaway she being the dau of John Rogers and Susannah Rogers they being my 4th g-g parents.does anyone have any info on N/A desent of these names mentioned?
as always
Aubrey G Cole:
The name of the book is “Melungeons: Examining An Appalachian Legend”, by Pat Spurlock Elder, available at http://www.continuitypress.com
I logged in to answer, but Bill’s answer has popped up already. I’ll add that its current edition has 422 pages, copiously footnoted and indexed (in which regards, among others, it differs from most of the nonsense in print about Melungeons). Chapter Eleven, “The American Indian Connection,” pp. 139-176, includes a good bit on the Saponi. And, of course, many other tribes.
The thread started with an attempt to establish contact with the author. Mrs. Elder sometimes reads this forum, so she replied. (Her Saponitown name is PatinTN.) However, the thread has something of a life of its own.
Wow, now THAT was some quick shipping! Took longer to type about it. ;~)
Speaking of Bowmans, don’t overlook Patrick County, VA. It’s one of my family names, too. Most of my relatives have a tendency to be fair skinned, but with varying degrees of native looking bone structure. A Bowman cousin I went to school with has the beautiful brown skin, and could pass for at least half-blood. The family tradition is Cherokee, of course.
Aubrey G. Cole wrote: Rockhound
Last pm I was researching my mothers relatives in Estill Co Ky on the 1810 and 1850 federal Census I noticed quite a few Riddles, have you checked them out. In my research of my g-parents Tayloy and Emily Emma Muncie Dunaway it took me back to a Sarah Rogers and Issac Dunaway she being the dau of John Rogers and Susannah Rogers they being my 4th g-g parents.does anyone have any info on N/A desent of these names mentioned?
as always
Aubrey G Cole:
Aubrey,
infquirer has posted some info on Estill Co, KY.
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2510&page=2
And if you follow the link I posted in that thread concerning William Thomas Riddle’s father-in-law, you will see there is a Roberts/Rogers connection, most likely with his wife’s family.
Rockhound;
I thank you very much for the info posted and I have just finished reading it. The Riddle connection that I was pursuing was for my wife’smother who was a Riddle , but I think that I have satisfied her quetions etc on the Riddel’s. The Rogerg conection was my mothers side , her father Taylor Dunaway whuch took me back to Issac Dunaway who married Sarah Rogers, who was the daughter of Susannah Rogers and John or Charles Rogers , may have been John Charles Rogers, that is where I am hung up at present is finding Susannah,s Husbands name (correct) and the parents of both Susannah and John, Charles Rogers.
again I thank you
as always
Aubrey G Cole
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