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Loved the photos. I noticed Mr Yager mentioned a lot. Yager or Yeager was one of the surnames of the Germanna Colony. Bill quoted or paraphrased a little of Ms Elder’s book, where she seemed to imply some of the Germanna settlers probably mixed with the local Indian populations.
Yje artlicle saysa group of people traveling rfom Kentucky to Illinios camped at a place where the Enos tippple now stands.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=tipple
tip·ple2 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tpl) n.
An apparatus for unloading freight cars by tipping them.
The place where this is done. A place for screening coal and loading it into trucks or railroad cars.
It is interesting the term Enos and Blackfoot are both used here, as well as the Germanna settlement surname.
vance
Vance,
🙂 Yes it is very interesting. You got me thinking about that Germana stuff the other day, with our Gunder/Kinder and all and I was kind of looking into it yesturday. We all showed up right here right about the same time as the Munsee. Which leads me to a couple of confusing questions. On one web site, I think the person’s name may be Lee Saltzman?????? I’ll have to dig it out again! Has the munsee and Saponi and Tutelo grouped in with the Delaware Indians here in Indiana. Then on the same site they have us all in with Iriquois. So that confuses me a great deal. Also I became confused yesturday over the term Moravian. What is that? And what are those books you & Bill & Brenda were going through the other day? I want to get them.
Also, I’m still trying to pin us down as far back as possible with dated documents as to when we showed up here in Indiana. So, if you find stuff, let me know. Love & Light, Lynella. 😉
P.S. I’ll check the link you just posted when I get home this afternoon, unless I get home to find Glenn has beat me to the computer. He’ll sit here and play Star Wars: Jedi Outcast for 4/5 hours at a time! I’ll be glad when the ice all melts so he can get on that motorcycle and go!!
Hang in there Lynella, one of these days he’ll be a full fledged Jedi Master and he’ll be out saving the galaxy instead of hogging the ‘puter! 😉
L:
The Moravians were a church group. They converted a segment of the Delaware Indians (and others). They established settlements in several places in PA and Ohio. Their settlement in Newcomerstown, OH experienced a massacre at the hands of the whites when they were peacefully harvesting corn. They prayed the night before they were all (but one) killed by soldiers swinging hammers into their skulls.
Both the church and the converted group of Indians were known as Moravians.
Tech
TechTeach;
Thank you for that Info. on the Moravians. 😀 I had recently read an article someplace that talked about the converted (Moravian) indians. But I don’t have the article handy right this moment. When I get a chance to find it, I’ll see if I can find a link to it and put it here, for everyone to use.
Thanks again!
Kerry
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Vance;
Is “Enos” an indian/Native American name? I’ve always believed it to be a biblical name. Even so – If some Native americans were converted to christianity (and we know they were) then it would make sense that they might use the name “Enos” as freely as the religous white families. Your comments are an interesting view point, and probably worth kinda of keeping an eye on as we all do research. These hints may lead us somewhere… Do you agree?
Kerry
Patty,
😀 Thank you for that! I’ll look foreward to it!
Techteach,
Thank you so very much.:) I have always been one of those people, who untill I found Saponi Town, lived in my own little corner of the world. Have you found any historical info as to what I’m talking about here with the confusion I have of the Delaware/ Iriquois thing with the Munsee/Saponi/Tutelo clumped in with both? Cause aren’t they like, fire & water, hot& cold (I can’t spit the words out that are sitting right there in my brain!) They weren’t both Siouan Tribes were they? Or am I totally messed up!!:D That’s probably it! ALGONQUIN, that’s what I’m thinking, that’s the words, Delaware are Algonquin which is different from Iriquois, RIGHT? Should we be lumped in with both in the same historical data/time frame? Unless we were friendlies with everyone????? Should we start another thread for this? Maybe we should, huh? A Lynella’s Delaware/Iriquois Confusion Thread!!!!????? Ricketts, I haven’t gotten too much beyond what you & Kerry have, but I’m still constantly searching and wont give up. If there’s anything there, WE WILL FIND IT!
Kerry,
Vance mentions the Eno quite a bit, so he’d probably know. There are/were????? you guys help me out here,:rolleyes: the Eno Indians, right? I believe, as far as all this stuff is concerned everything we research the better. Eno is just as worthy as any other subject. I never even thought about Munsee untill I saw this pattern in this history piece yesturday that flowed right along to the same areas of Indiana, with our people at the same time frame. 🙂 🙂 🙂 Research away!!!
Also, when you put your Moravian stuff on here, Kerry, start a new thread for it. I want to keep this as close to Blackfoot/all our people here at the same time frame sort of thing.
And Techteach, THANK YOU FOR HAVING US ON YOUR FORUM. You are a God send.;) Love & Light, Lynella.:)
🙂 VANCE,
THAT’S A COOL LINK:cool: ! THEY HAVE A SOUND THINGY!!:D That’s what we need, some site like that with all our Tutelo Grammar on it!:p Love & Light, Lynella. P.S. THANK YOU BUNCHES!!!
L:
I will have to let someone else respond on the language the Delaware spoke, but they were affiliated with the Iroquois of the Six Nations for a while, as they were the tribe that sold Penn so much of PA when they bargained the sale of the amount of land a man could walk in one day and the Penns hired a speed walker. The Iroquois were not pleased, as in reality, it was their land that was sold. The Delaware kind of aligned themselves with the Shawnee after that, I believe.
I know about that Moravians, as religion has been an area I have looked in for answers and because my Green line was involved indirectly in the Newcomerstown affair. The first person who wield the hammer against the Moravian Indians was Charles Bilderback who was later captured and dealth with. His widow and daughter marry into my Green line.
Part of the problem, is that as all tribes moved west and fought for their lands, they mingled. For example, some Shawnee fought with Tecumseh, others moved across to Cape Girardeau. Yet, Tecumseh drew a mixed following, so sorting some of this out becomes very difficult.
Tech
I find it intriguing that the name Enos was near the church. They were the tribe the Sissipaha merged in with, along with the Shakori. I don’t imagine I need to mention again that I believe the word Sissipaha is a corruption of the words ‘ici asepa hiye,’ which means ‘blackened foot’ in Tutelo, the only Piedmont Siouan language to still exist.
Kerry —
Linda beat me to it! 🙂 I didn’t know “Eno” might be Biblical. I have a Biblical concordance, and if the word is in the Bible it will be trhere. You got me curious.
If you do a google search for Eno, Saponi, Tutelo, et cetera — you will find a whole host of Siouan “city-states” that were related by blood and family. From what I have read it seems in these tribes a city or a small group of bands was considered a tribe. Perhaps that was from an Anglo-perspective and they in reality were all affiliated with one another more closely than that. Linda what do you think?
Shawnee, Lenape (a.k.a. Delaware), and Powhatten are all Algonquin. Knowing the distinction between tribes in early history is important — as affiliations and blood fueds are more understandible. But later, when the populations of each tribe dwindled, they would ally themselves quite often with their previous enemies, and from that time forward those old anamocities died out and they have became friends for the last couple of hundred years.
vance
Vance,
Thank you so much for verifying what I thought. It did seem strange that we were all together with both Iriquois and Delaware. But, yeah, it would seem they would have had to become allies if they were together all around the same time frame, the same time frame that our ancestors showed up here. I can’t wait to dig up more! Thank you again Vance.:) Love & Light, Lynella.
Linda,
Thank you for the info. I was not sure how the Eno fit in with us. Of coarse, all I would have had to do is go open my file and read it! I have it here, I just let myself get sidetracked too easily!;) So, thank you!
Vance;
I may be wrong about “Enos” being a biblical name. I think I may have confused it with “Enoch”. 😮 But at least it did bring up some other discussion of the word Eno and/or Enos. I was not aware that the Eno was an Indian tribe. But now thanks to you, Linda and Lynella I have a little better understanding of the name. Thank you all!:D
Kerry
Techteach,
🙂 Thank you very much. I just reread your last post here and you fixed my brain a good bit!;)
I think when I put this info. together for Kerry that I’ve been collecting reguarding all the tribes and their sub-tribes and languages I’ll have a much better grasp on things. Cause’ I knew the Algonquin speaking Delaware and those affiliated as such are the opposite of what we’re looking at here. That’s why I had the confusion when I found us fighting and working together with them in some of this history stuff I found. But, this gives me other angles to research this from. I can dig through some of their history and see what they have as documented and dated info. on us.
Kerry, Thank you for that link you e-mailed me. It looks like there is a good bit of info. there I can dig around in.:D Sort of like when we used to play “king of the hill” on the manure pile! Kenny tossed me in a rain puddle at the bottom of that pile, face first once. I think I can still smell it to this day!;) Love & Light, Lynella.
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