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Thanks for checking. Seems like there is some connection there even if not DNA.
In addtion to Potter, McCartney and Cooley there is also Collins.
Although not my direct ancestor one of Samuel Washington Beeler’s children married a Collins. I have seen him mentioned by another researcher who runs a site called ‘My Collins research including Bunch, Burnett, Hurst, Huthcison, Pettyjohn, Blackstone, Barlow’
I looked up the Sinkey, Potter, Deuel genealogy of Licking Co OH. My guess is these were assoicated families. There are a number of multiple marriages which creates links other than blood.
Our Julius Potter ties to the Collins, Bunch genealogy through the Behler/Bohlers. He had children with his first wife (Figle) and married again at age 37 to Christina Stainbrook aged 16.
She had three Potter children with him. He died from being kicked by a horse at 56. She was 35 remarried and had two Cooley children. One of her daughters married a McCartney. One of her son’s married into our Smith Blackfoot line. She was born nearby in Muskingum Co OH 1855. Her father was born there in 1822. Her grandfather Abraham came from Somerset Co PA was one of the earliest settlers of Brush Creek Twp.
Julius’ father Thomas Potter born 1800 in PA may be associated with Mary (Potter) Sinkey born 1804? They are both brick-walls.
I’ve discovered that Emily Beeler – Thomas Potter’s wife is tied to the Bunch family. Her ancestor Amelia Hurst 1753-1833, had a brother William Hurst 1755-1836. William Hurst has a descendant who married Dorothy Bunch 1906-1988.
I’ve also discovered that my Mary Ann Miller who is the wife of Andrew Bailey/Bayley is also tied to the same Bunchs. This is the line I mentioned in the Baileys/Dillons of West Virginia thread.
Andrew J Miller, her nephew, married Amanda Bunch b.1835.
Amanda Bunch and Dorothy Bunch share a common ancestor in John Bunch III 1690-1742.
This information came from Ted Collins site.
This new info shows conclusively (to me) that both my maternal grandparents are linked to the Saponi.
Here is a currently working link for Blackfoot Cemetery listings
Names in common with my family/DNA cousins and ancestors resting here are: Allen, Burnett, Carter, Collins, Daugherty, Dyer, Green, Miller, Nixon, O’Neal, Pancake, Richardson, Riddle, Skinner, Smith, Thompson.
Pancake in particular stands out. Being uncommon, and a family name I had not investigated. Walter Frank Pancake 1864 Columbus IN – 1952 Vincennes IN married to my 2xgreat aunt Minnie Rosezillah Coppock 1869-1964
Pancake seems to be another anglicized German name – originally Pfannkuchen.
I am seeing these Pancake lines coming out of PA. Mine supposedly comes out of VA, but there is no source or documentation for Isaac Pancake 1791-1860 to confirm this. Two wives are listed; Rhoda Patton 1803-1880 – listed as born in NC with no source, and Micha LeMasters – with sources listing their marriage 1821 in Bartholomew IN. LeMasters is another Blackfoot Cemetery name – so it seems very likely that my Pancake line is related to the one from the Blackfoot Cemetery.
Is your Peter Pancake 1779-1861 of Dauphin PA who married Elizabeth Stannfer? This line appears to have stayed in PA until about 1900 and then moved west to CA and OR.
Confused;36935 wrote: oups. Very often census takers recorded them white or mulatto depending on their own judgment. Genealogical research must take into account that a mulatto and a white with the same name are actually the same person. One clue is whether the head of the household (male) had colored women in the house, for which a head tax was imposed. Again, this was done randomly according to the whims of the census takers or government officials assigning racial status. A further wrinkle is that in many communities, whites accepted people of known mulatto background as white. They simply were sponsors or spokespersons for the family in question if anyone questioned.
This explanation fits for my ancestor Isom Good born in the 1780s. He was listed as mullato in one census and then white in a later one when he is with a Quaker group.
I am seeing Moses Riddle b.1725 Orange Co NC in the genealogy of others who share the Drybread name with my family. Have still not been able to see where the link is though.
The oldest picture I’ve found on the line from my cousin’s (somehow) genealogy is John ‘Fergison’ ‘Fergerson’ Riddle (b 1857 Grass Run, Gilmer, WV and Sarah ‘Sarry’ Elizabeth Cottrill/Cottrell (b 25 Sep 1862 Calhoun WV).
John and Sarah Riddle 
Sarah Cottrell RiddleMy Goode is still a brick-wall past Isham Good 1780 Randolph NC – 1860 Clinton OH. Have found a tree on Ancestry that seems connected though, Collins41.
Other shared names in our trees besides Good are Erwin/Irwin, Cunningham and Douglass. Among the ancestors of Monroe Lee Edge 1872-1942. The other lines include several Collins, Cloud, & Richardson. Other names are Bird, Penn, Deal, Connor, Nobles, Early, Rasberry/Rasbury, Browne, Lewis, Beverly, Hendricks.
James Riddle 1780 VA – 1851 Crawford IN.
Listed as grandson to Moses Riddle and Sarah Gibson/Collins.
His g-grandaughter Josie M Riddle 1914-1995 married Russel E Massie 1912-1995. Russel Massie’s father was Joseph Oscar Massie 1874-1945. (The Massie’s marry into my Indiana Jones/Smith line. One of my direct ancestors on this line is Joseph Oscar Smith 1850-1930. His grandmother Massa Jones was also called ‘Massey’.)
Joseph Oscar Massie is the g-grandson of Mary Polly Miller 1794-1859.
Mary Polly Miller’s daugther Eliza Jane Miller (1829 – 1884) married Dr. John James Poff (1818 – 1875). John Poff is the grandson of Rev John Jones (1773-1847) sister to Massa Jones.
I’ve digested the better part of my latest Rick Haithcock compilation: “Catawba, Cheraw, Tutelo, Saponi and Niasont, Oniasont Histories, Photos, and Migrations in the Virginia, Carolina Piedmont and the Ohio River Valley, Volume 75”
I’m noticing that Poff is on the list of Catawba names. There are three Jones sisters who married three Poff men in the Indiana Jones-Smith line of our tree.
Frances/Franke/Fanny Jones m. Samuel Poff, Abigail Jones m. Matthew Poff, and Lucy Jones m. Henry Poff all in Clinton Co Ohio.
My Potters are a mystery before 1800 so not much I can offer. These Potter’s were of German extraction. The original spelling me be Pottaar. The first known Potters were Prussian (German). The name also comes from England though.
The lines my Potters married into mostly came from Northern VA from the late 1600s through the 1700s (Frederick, Warren, Loudon, Culpepper Orange, Fauquier, Fairfax, Stafford, King George, Westmoreland, Lancaster counties) and Maryland (Cecil, Essex, Fredericktown). They had all left these areas by the early 1800s.
Linda, your aunt Regina’s picture, and TechTeach’s names remind me of my great aunt Maxine.
She was known as one of the ‘three pots’ in her youth along with my grandmother Madeline and her other sister Norma. Their father was Marion Howard Potter (b. Aug 16 1884) of Delaware Co IN.
Marion’s sister Bessie married a Joseph L Jones, his other sister Cora married Jasper McCartney (McCartey)
Their father Julius J Potter (b 1836/37 Darke Co OH) had these three children with Christina Stainbrook, he had three more Potter children with Rebecca Figle before that. Christina was remarried as well to Robert Cooley. Julius, a blacksmith died in his 50s after being kicked in the head by a horse.
Their Potter line hits a brickwall at Thomas Potter born 17 Nov 1800 in PA, died 3 Feb 1872 Darke Co OH. He married on 30 Dec 1827 in Butler Co OH Amelia/Emila/Emily Beeler (Boeler) born 1810 Oxford, Butler Co OH.
Emily’s parents are Elizabeth Kyger (b. ? abt 1787) and James Beeler (b. 1783 Hampshire CO WV) who married 21 Aug 1808 in Butler Co. Her older sister was born in Frederick Co VA. Her brother Daniel was in Butler Co by 1803.
The Beelers came to PA on the ship Samuel in August 1732.
Does any of this possibly match up?
I’m seeing so many parallels in here, yet no concrete links.
My Benjamin Brower married Isabel Buck on 11 Jan 1837. Benjamin’s grandaughter Bessie Mae Gates married Dora MCS Smith. Dora MCS Smith’s daughter (my g-grandmother) married a Potter.
Benjamin Brower’s first wife was Elizabeth Bechtel. They and Isabel Buck are all brick-walls.
When I searched for them I found another Brower/Bechtel marriage from the 1820s – Sarah Brower and John Bechtel in Waterloo Co Ontario – just up the road from Six Nations. They were PA Dutch like my ancestors.
The naming of children Powathan is also interesting as there are multiple ancestors of mine named Seneca.
I can’t see a concrete connection here but feel these must be associated families. Only a feeling – but then again I had a feeling Linda’s Aunt Regina looked really familiar – before I found out that Linda and I are cousins.
TechTeach’s Mary Lovina Potter also looks like she could be related to my family.
techteach;37274 wrote: Except Mary Lovina Potter is not related unless so distant that it fails to show. I did not lower numbers on Gedmatch though to look at that.
Techteach
That’s true. Although, the ancestor that Linda and I share is too many generations out to show on GedMatch I believe. I have not tried a GedMatch with her to verify that though. I’m in the process of getting DNA samples into GedMatch from the generation before my mother to try and have a closer link for comparison.
The thing with some of these names is they are associated but not necessarily related families. So many of my ancestors had multiple spouses. I am a descendant of Benjamin Brower and Elizabeth Bechtel – but not Isabel Buck who was his second wife.
Did any of your ancestors come through Delaware County Indiana?
The associated families I’m looking at here all came through there. The Browers were assoicated with the Hoovers who were associated with the Goings.
This website has a list of some early families to Delaware County: http://www.ingenweb.org/indelaware/Surnames/query002.htm This list includes Pontius which is the link I have to Linda.
The families the Brower children married into were Wood, Hoover, Downing, Cross, Paul, Keene, Sisk, Riley, Wooters and Smith (mine)
I have no choice but investigate associated families because the Brower, Bechtel, Potter and Buck ancestors from this era are all brick-walls.
Newsome is a name I am starting to see amongst DNA cousins. One DNA cousin in particular I recently learned about (Robinson) shares a 33cM segment with my mother and uncle and 10-12cM with my sister and I.
Looking at her info, her Newsome line comes out of NC. Lines they marry into come out of Mecklenburg VA. Some are in TN and KY after that, later, by the early 1800s, they are all in Ohio. Some go from a census classification of “White” to “Free Person of Color”.
Other names on the line are Day, Smith, Hightower, Stewart, Whetsel, Scot, and Barnhill. The Day and Smith names make me think they are tied to our Indiana Jones-Smith line. Although this person shows no match to our first cousin on our Indiana Smith line. She is not a match to the our Parrish group of cousins either.
Her admixture results on 23andMe are 51% European, 45% Sub-Saharan African, 3% Native American/Asian, 1% unknown.
This seems like a textbook Saponi/tri-racial descendant. Going to try and learn more of the specific genealogy to see if it matches any of what Brenda and Bill shared here.