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Dan,
I haven’t been able to follow this trading thread as closely as you, but I do believe that you are on the right track. I think among the occupations for Indians, trading, interpreting, etc. figured prominently. I checked out the excellent link you provided and found among the liscenses granted some were for Indian employees of traders….
I read the following years ago, and if my memory serves me right, this might have been one of the first places I saw the term “mustee” when Atkin briefly & casually referred to the number of mustees around the trading establishments. I need to go back and check it out, though….
“The Appalachian Indian Frontier
The Appalachian Indian Frontier: The Edmund Atkins Report and Plan of 1755
ed. by Edmund Atkins
107pp paperback
This elaborate report written by Atkins lays out the need for the colonies to win the support of the southern Indians. This book will be of particular interest to people who like the southern Indians and his excellent descriptions of the southern tribesmen of the period are valuable. W/ illustrations and maps. “
The South Carolina Archives had a display on line about the early Indian trade for awhile…what struck me is the sheer number of people involved from the merchants to the trader, to the many packmen in their employee….
I also suspect the trade and the mixed or mustee nature of some employees may account for a lack of straightforward tribal affiliation for some folks and also may account for some of the family traditions of Blackfook & Cherokee…. I mean that I think the early Saponi, Tutelo, etc. — logical employees for the trade– later mixed with other groups like the Cherokee as part of the trading culture. Isn’t this historical aspect of Metis culture in Canada pretty much accepted without a lot of argument???
It may be helpful to check out the tax lists found in “Sunlight on the Southside” to get a further picture of who was in the area.
Brenda
Brenda; Thank you so very much!! This topic is very hard to research. From your postings on these families, and checking what these families say about themselves, I can determine that they all lived in the Stony Creek area in present Sussex County Va. on the north side of the Nottoway River. This area is around what was called “Fort Nottoway.”
Sometimes what begins to be revealed can be amazing. Here is just one for-instance; (If this is really true, this is generally what this family says about themselves.) The Thomas Brooks you have listed here is probably the father of Thomas, Castleton, and Littleton Brooks. They are said to have lived at Stony Creek and Nottoway Bridge. Littleton Brooks moved west and married into the family of the Longhunter Elisha Walling. The Wallings hunted with and married into the family of my 6th greatgrandfather John Rice. All are related to Wm. Blevins. Wm. Blevins and Littleton Brooks were friends of Daniel Boone and represented the Watauga settlers at the 1775 Treaty of Sycamore Shoals with the Cherokee aka Henderson’s Treaty.
The Blevins were accused at some time of aiding the Cherokee in a Montgomery Co. Va. court.
In my opinion, I’m seeing a story of a community of mixed and non-mixed Indian traders that kept moving west, became Longhunters, took wives from other tribes, and kept connected in some form or fashion. That is how my family retained so much Indian blood through all of these generations.
Dan.
Sue; The Lewis Green family of Stony Creek on the Nottoway River (ca. 1705 to 1724 ?) married into the Parham family. Wm. Parham was found Oct. 24, 1701 Charles City Co. Va. Patents 9, pg. 392, 450 acres upon the north side of the Nottoway River in an island below Monkese Neck (Moccusseneck, now called Rowanty Creek). and Thomas Parham of PGCO Oct. 31, 1726 VPB 13, pp. 67-68 North side of Stony Creek at the Old Trading Path.
Wm. Eaton appears to have held land on Butterwood Swamp, a branch of Stony Creek in the year 1732.
We later find Saponis living on Wm. Eaton’s land in Granville Co. NC and also in Granville Co. are the Greens and Parhams and your Hunts and Allens along with the Reeves/Rieves family. Granville Co. of couse backs up to now Mecklenburg Co. Va. where my Greens and the Sizemores lived south of the Roanoke River (on the Granville side).
Do you know anything about this ?
Dan.
Dan,
Thanks for a reply!
I know some about it, in that the Allen and Hunt lines were in New Kent, Henrico, Hanover counties Va early..prior to 1700, and they moved into NC into Granville, Caswell, Person counties. There was a posting here on the forum of William Eaton and some connections there. One of the Hunt boys married Mary Jeffreys, a daughter of Osborne. I’ve posted quite a bit since finding this forum but I still have much to find. And the names are used over and over. Robert Allen Sr. had Robert Jr. He had a son Robert. My Joseph Allen, son of Robert Allen Sr had a Robert too. And Robert Allen Sr. had several brothers which I haven’t even delved into…all in New kent co Va before 1700. Same with the Hunts. Ralph born before 1700 with several brothers also. Lines intersecting, names used over and over..And..cont’d
well, it gets a bit confusing.
It has been easier to track down a Memucan than a Robert, William or Charles.
All I know is yes these people are connected. Just don’t have it all figured out and maybe never will.
Any help is always appreciated!
Sue J
Several hours later….
Any Green/Butler marriages?
John Green and Elizabeth Butler married in Granville co NC 1-1-1807. Elizabeth is the daughter of John Butler and Mary Hunt. Mary daughter of Memucan Hunt and Mary Wade.. .John Butler and Mary Hunt are on the 1812 Giles co Tn tax list.
No more info on John Green..Born c 1780?
Sue J
Dan,
Don’t know if this willl help your research or maybe it has already been posted, but I found this on a list of tithables for Surry County:
Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly; Volume XXIV; Number 2:
“Surry County Tithables 1698,1699,1700”
“Edward Green, 1 Indian man called George, 1 Indian women called Jone”
Jemmy, an Indian is down the page
Brenda
http://www.freeafricanamericans.com/free_Indians.htm
ISLE OF WIGHT COUNTY
pp.490-1, Wm West of Newport Parish, Isle of Wight, daughter Mray Green an Indian Girl called Pinke for & during her natural life … son Wm West my Indian girl called Rose … for ever. Negro Jack unto son Robt. West and my Indian woman Peg unto daughter Deborhah West … for ever. 9 February 1708/9.
SURRY COUNTY
p.367, 22 April 1707, inventory of Edward Green
1 Indian woman 15 pounds
2 children 30 pounds
1 Negro man 15 pounds
p.878, 23 January 1726, will of Nathaniel Green of Southwark Parish … I give my Molatto boy Cit to my wife Faith to serve out the Time of his Indenture
p.893, 14 February 1728/9 inventory of Nathaniel Green, one Melotto boy free at twenty one years of age.
489], 1 September 1685, Geo. and Indyan srvt. to Edward Greene is adjudged five yrs. old.
1700
upper precinct of Southwarke Parish
p.82, Wm: Edmunds & Ventur an Indian
Edward Greene, Richd. Moore, George & Joane Indians – 4
1701
p.67, Edward Green, Richd Moore, George and Isaac Indians, in all- 4
1702 and 1703
Edward Greene, Jno. Nicholls, Tho: Aven, Richd. More, George & Joane Indians – 6
Saponi1
Thank you all! You all are always so very helpful. I will study this Edward Green.
I am also looking for a southside Va. Green immigrant to the Virginia Colony ca. 1630 to 1650.
There is an early Lewis Green, born ca. 1630, who is not listed on any ship’s list and is said to have been born in the Colony. He is also said to have helped capture a man using his canoe.
Does anyone have a connection to early Virginia settlers lists after the initial first three Jamestown lists?
Dan.
Dan,
There are a few Greene men on these lists. On the Abraham..a Riger Greene and on the Merchant Bonaventure..George and Daniell..arriving in Virginia in 1635..As early as this was, it seems probable that any one of them could have met an Indian maiden? I do think that we (I) will never figure all of it out for lack of documentation, but anything could be a lead.
http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ships/tousa1600-1630.shtml
Saj
I checked my reference without finding a Lewis Green arrival. However, Lewis does sound like a middle/surname and he could have been recorded under a ‘first’ name.
Here is an interesting note. From the Library of Congress website; “The History of Virginia” published in 1722, page 200, “In Surery (Surry): Nottawayes, which are about 100 Bow-men, of late a thriving and increasing people.”
Surry County Va. at that time consisted of what is now Surry and Sussex Counties and ended to the southwest along the Nottoway River. In 1722 they are the largest tribe on this book’s list, are thriving, and are claimed to be in “Surery” or Surry County. This is the time frame and area, around Stony Creek Va., that I am seeing that my Greens are from and that also had a large Indian trading community.
Dan.
Hello,
I am Mike Johnson from Turtletown.org and I am looking for my old friend Vance Hawkins.
If you have a contact for him to provide me, please do.
Wado,
Mike J (Aquah)
Dan,
If you haven’t seen this Lewis Green site yet it is interesting. There is a colorful story about Lewis told by Daniel Boone posted.
“A story about Lewis Green, Sr. told by Daniel Boone
Occurred near the Clinch River
Lewis and a brother-in-law, who resided near Blackmore’s, on Clinch, about fifteen miles below Captain Gass’ place, where Boone was sojourning, went out some considerable distance among the mountains to hunt. They selected a good hunting range, erected a cabin, and laid up in store’s some jerked bear meat. One day when Green was alone…….”
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kykinfolk/web/lewisgree/pafg12.htm
I am curious about the MOORE connection.
Brenda
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