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Dan,
Lots of questions……
Do these 1830 Henry Co., Ky GREENs belong to Benjamin and his sons’ family group ?
James, 40 to 49.
Richard, 30 to 39.
John, 50 to 59.
James, 20 to 29.
Nancy, 20 to 29.
Abraham, 20 to 29.
John, 30 to 39.
Levi, 20 to 29.
Angeline, 20 to 29.
Nancy, 30 to 39.
Richard, 20 to 29.
Is the Elias Gardner, 30 to 39, with 3 FPC in his household and living two doors away from the above John Green (50 to 59), related to Benjamin?
Are the Isaac, Richard & Stephen Green on the 1800 Henry Co. Tax Lists your GREENs ?
Did all of your GREENs move to Mo.?
Just 5 or 6 miles down the road in Shelby County is Thomas and another James Green who are related to my LEEs and their Warren, Montgomery and Kitson kin from Henry Co. One of the Montgomery’s boys (William, 1) is living with John Green, 78, b.Va., on the 1850 Henry Co Census.
Are we related to the same lines?
Bill
Bill;
It is nice to meet you on this forum.
Isaac Green is believed to be the brother of my Benjamin Green of Henry County Ky.. Richard and Stephen on the 1800 census are probably Isaac’s sons.
Benjamin arrived some time in 1801 and as far as we know his children were James, John, Isaac and Dicey Ann.
My James was born in 1788/89 in Sullivan County Tn. before arriving in Henry County and by the 1830 census the grandchildren of Benjamin are starting to appear.
Also in Henry County is a man from Culpepper County Va., William Green, and his sons.
There is a possible earlier connection with all of these Greens in Culpepper and Prince George Counties in Va..
Isaac Green, the older one, died in Henry County in 1809. After his wife died Benjamin, along with his sons James and John and his daughter Dicey Ann Green Boyd, moved here in Boone County Mo. ca. 1831/33.
My Greens lived on Drennon’s Creek. Do you know anything about that area? My Loudens had Louden’s/Lowden’s Landing.
I have found a connection that traces my Green family back along with Stephen Green and his family of Madison County Ky. and the Green family migrating out of Mecklinburg County Va.. After his death and burial in Madison County, Stephen Green’s family also migrated to Boone County Mo..
I am convinced now that my 5th greatgrandfather, Gardner Green, is the Gardner found on the 1764 Titheables list for old Lunenburg (now Mecklinburg, Halifax, etc.) County Va..
Do you have legends of Native American ancestry in your family? Do members of your family also look Native American?
Dan.
Bill and Dan:
If you ever run across Greens from Licking County, Ohio or Shepherdstown, WV, these might very well be my Greens. Let me know if you do. I have a book called The Green Tree that outlines this line. They were native American and look it, although we think they were Shawnee. The name of the Green who left Berkely County was Regnald.
Cindy
Techteach;
I will keep an eye out.
That Shawnee thing makes me wonder also.
I know it isn’t popular, but the Shawnees lived for a time all over Mo.. In the Boone’s Lick area of central Mo. thay served as guides and scouts for the local militias.
50 Shawnee braves were with Col. Henry Dodge and Capt. Benjamin Cooper when they cornered 500 Miamis at Malta Bend Mo. in the early 1800’s.
Shawnee scouts were with Capt. Callaway when he was killed on the Loutre River.
The Shawnee had towns above Cape Girardieu along the Miss. River, on the Meremec River, at Owens Station in St. Louis County. at Lake Wappapello in southeast Mo., and a reservation just to the east of Springfield.
Here in Boone County we have a mysterious family of Ketchums who say they are cherokee, but the Ketchum name is found on U.S. treaties with the Shawnee.
One of the Ketchum descendants, a strange fellow, always said that he had been taught an Indian language by his grandfather. Although he could speak it very fluently it sounded very weird and certainly wasn’t Cherokee.
Dan.
Dan:
Why do you say that it is not popular? Is is a Missouri thing, i.e. they do not want to admit that there were anything but white in MO? (I lived for 4 years in Cape Girardeau, so I am familiar with your areas. I did not know that Lorimer’s wife was half Shawnee until a month or so ago. I used to take my students to the old cemetery to do a learning activity on heritage.)
Thanks for any assistance. I did not find a Gardner Green in the book though. This family was in Licking County, Ohio before the elements I came from moved to Jackson County, Iowa.
Cindy
Cindy;
Elements of no less than 26 different tribes lived in Mo. during it’s developement between 1750 and up until 1850. Almost every white village in the colonial period through the territorial perioid had Indian villages next to them.
Pierre LeClede was led by his Ojibway guides when the first white man established a camp in what was to become St. Louis Mo.
Thomas Jefferson had set the Missouri Territory aside for a refuge (or dumping ground) for imigrating eastern tribes. It was to become an Indian State, but then the government in Washington changed their minds, and picked the Kansas Territory, and then the Oklahoma Territory, and then …
These tribes were colonizing imigrants just like the whites. American Indians had as much, if not more, participation in the developement of the State of Mo. as any other ethnic group, and yet after statehood the Mo. Legislature passed a law making it illegal to do commerce with almost all of the Natives living in the state.
The real. complete history of the state of Mo. hasn’t even been written yet.
Dan.
Dan,
My GREENs were in that area. My RAZORs lived on Drennon’s Ridge, above the creek. I know the area. The GREENs were Indian per a Grandmother of a living LEE descended from them, and I’m of multiple lines of Indian descent.
I have a considerable amount of data on these GREENs that includes Marriage Bonds, Will abstracts & Census data – all from Ky. You may already have that data but if not I’ll send it along to you. I haven’t sorted them out thoroughly because they are related thru indirect lines.
Benjamin’s son John had a son John, b.ca. 1811, Henry Co., Ky, who marr’d 1835, Sarah Burns, b.1814 Henry Co, Ky – their children were in the Carroll, Henry, Shelby and Franklin Co areas of Ky. Sarah Burns’ father John Burns, b.1763, lived in Southeastern Indiana at a time when this area was Indian Territory.
James and John GREEN were still in Henry Co in 1840.
Isaac Frederick GREEN jr, (son (?) of Isaac GREEN sr.,d.1809 Henry Co., Ky), was marr’d 26 Oct 1808 Caty Wainscot, d. 1810, probably the dau or sister of Abraham Wainscott, who administered her inventory of effects Nov 14, 1810.
An Isaac, Richard and Stephen GREEN are on the 1800 Henry Co., Ky Tax List Index.
Your Dicey Ann, dau of Benjamin, marr’d John Boyd on 24 Dec 1805 in Henry Co., KY.
I have a Will abstract for Stephen Green of Madison Co., Ky, naming wife and children.
The marriage data shows that several of these GREENs (probably Benjamin’s (?) sons and grandsons) married my direct line of ROBERTs girls who were also of Indian descent.
Other girls they marr’d were FOLSOM, GREEN, 3 ROBERTS, ABBOTT, LANDON & BAXTER.
Bill
Cindy,
I looked these up :
Washington Co., Ohio was formed in 1788.
Fairfield Co., Oh., was created in 1800 from Washington Co.
Licking Co., Oh., was created in 1808 from Fairfield.
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On the 1800 Washington Co., Oh. Census, noted as living in Ohio Territory on the East side of the Sciota River :
Allen, George, John, William & Nelam.
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On the 1800 Washington Co., Oh., Tax Lists :
John, in Adams Twp.
John, in Middletown Twp.
Christopher “& E.”, in an extended Twp.
John, in Newport Twp.
Benjamin, in Newton Twp.
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On the 1810 Licking Co., Ohio Tax List :
Charles, in Granville Twp.
George, in Granville Twp.
2 Benjamins, in Licking Twp.
Daniel, in Licking Twp.
James, in Newton Twp.
James, in Union Twp.
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Bill
Bill;
Well then, it sure appears to be that we are cousins. Not only that but you are probably related to both my mother and father. My mother through the Greens and my father through the Roberts. I am a Roberts twice over (two generatioins marrying back into the Roberts family) in my Jessie Baker line. That is how these families have been, intermarrying and a couple of generations later marrying back in again.
My mom and dad’s greatgrandmas were sisters.
Do you know very much about the Greens before they went to Kentucky?
What has your family said about themselves? We are searching for the early 1700’s origins.
Dan.
Dan,
Yeah, it looks like we are cousins.
I don’t have anything definite on the GREENs before Ky – just started looking 3 days ago when I found out my LEE cousin didn’t have much on them. Looking for them, I did find the progenator’s of the Licking Co., Oh (Northwest Territory) GREENs but they are a different line as it looks at the moment.
My family is so mixed they didn’t feel the need to talk about it very often, I guess.
I’ll let you know if I turn up anything more on the GREENs before Ky.
Bill
Bill:
Thanks for looking this information up for me. I did not know about the Licking County history. At least some, if not all those Greens are likely related to me. The first Green who came from VA that I am directly descended from according to the genealogy in The Green Tree was Regnal Green Sr who died in Fairfield County. His daughter, Elizabeth would be my ggggggrandmother. He had sons Charles – d. Licking County, John – d. Fairfield County, Allen – d. Franklin County, Thomas – d. Licking County, George Washington – d. Licking County, William – d. Union County, and Regnal Jr. – d. Licking County. His daughter married Andrew Huston who is one of those unknowns. We are not sure who his is, where he came from nor where he is buried. The Greens are believed to be Shawnee. The daughter moved to Jackson County Iowa, where her granddaughter definitely looks Indian. She wore her cole-black hair in braids and her uncle danced at yearly family gatherings.
Cindy
Dan:
I thought you meant that in your comment of Missouri. We were shocked when we got our first bus tour of the bootheel area around Cape Girardeau and had the segregated towns pointed out to us.
Cindy
Dan and Tech:
Do you connect with any PERRY/LYONS/ALLMAN families from that same county. That is where my mother’s Perry line ended up in Wesley Township. Perry’s are buried in Union cemetary there.
Brenda
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