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Brenda:
I searched The Green Tree and the Green genealogy file that I have. I found a couple of people but unrelated to your people in Ohio as far as I can tell. One was a Perry in California and a Lyons in Guthrie Center, Iowa. There is a Thomas Perry mentioned as someone who files a support claim to a Revolutionary War penion claim by the widow of Thomas Butt in The Green Tree. I suspect none of these is related to your line though. My Greens have not yet been connected with anyone on this site that I am aware of. Other Greens went south. Mine went to Ohio and Iowa. They are the maternal side of my ggrandfather’s family. My Blackfoot ID comes from the paternal side of the Ralston family.
Cindy
Brenda,
Ross County was also formed (1798) from Washington County, N.W. Territory, just as Licking Co. was. Maybe that’s the link.
Bill
Everyone;
I am looking for an Indian by the name of William Joyner.
In Virginia Easley DeMarce’s “Raw Notes” on her study of the Sizemore family (the Sizemores related to the Henry Green family of old Lunenburg now Mecklinburg County Va.) she mentions a William Joyner listed next to George Sizemore. She wrote; William Joyner, “An old indian man’s list” note: The only notation that William Joyner was indian was in 1750. George Sizemore was listed next to William Joyner in the tax list so it is possible the Sizemores and MANY OTHER FAMILIES intermarried with the early indian families. Tax lists may help prove the tradition of indian ancestry and pinpoint the period of origin.
This list in 1750 was the titheables list for Lunenburg County Va. taken by Cornelius Cargill.
Dan Akin.
Linda;
From what I understand that is the way it appears on the 1750 Tithables List – William Joyner “an old Indian man’s list” 1.
One being his tithe or tax.
She also offers this (I assume this is for Virginia); By an act of 9 May, 1723 it was enacted “That all free negros, mulattoes, or Indians (except tributary Indians to the government) male and female above the age of 16 years and all wives of such negros, mulattoes, or Indians (except before excepted) shall be deemed and accounted thithables; any law, custom, or usage to the contrary, in any wise, not withstanding.”
Does this mean you were your own property and had to pay taxes on yourself?
Dan.
Dan:
Do you think that this listing was something that happened in other parts of Virginia? My Greens were from Berkeley County, and the family believes that they were native, but I am not sure that anyone has found direct documentation. Maybe this type of documentation might be there?
Cindy
Cindy;
I’m sorry I don’t know. A few are listed as mulattoe on the old tithables lists for old Lunenburg County Va.
When you read some of the old wills they name their indian slaves.
One of the mulattoes in Lunenburg was named Roberts and, although I don’t know of a connection, there was a Roberts family that came from Henry County Ky. to Boone County Mo. with the Green family in the early 1800’s that claim native american descent with the oral legend of being cherokee. I am also descended from those people.
Dan.
Everyone;
I’m looking for information on the Yamacraw Tribe that used to be on the Big South Fork of the Cumberland River in present day McCreary County Ky.
Were they Siuoan/Blackfoot or Iriquioan? Who were some of their chiefs and headmen? Were they connected to Doublehead or Red Bird of the Chickamauga Cherokees?
Thank! Dan Akin.
Dan my great great grandparents, David B. Brown and Harriet Guess., raised 3 orphans. This was in Arkansas. One was “Nancy Joiner”. There was a Joiner who married a McNutt in Tennessee and we think the girl was their child. In 1850 census she is listed as “Nancy Joiner” and the census records say she is an orphan. On 1860 census she is Nancy J. Brown and it no longer calls her an orphan. Later in the 1860s she marries Alfred Brown, David’s younger brother and truly becomes a Brown. Their daughter Mary J. Brown (David and Alfred’s mother was Mary, and we think the “J” is for Joiner) is 16 years old in 1880 and is listed as a “cousin” liviing with my great grandparents, Jeffrey Richey and Josephine Brown Richey.
Also I’ve seen the McNutt surname spelled McKnight. The 2 surnames appear to have either gotten mixed up or they have a common root, I don’t know which.
These McNutt/McKnights and Joiners have puzzled me a while now. If you have anymore about the Joiners, well I’d appreciate it.
best wishes
vance
ps — we have some evidence finally that David’s mother’s maiden name was “Black”, Mary Black. We have found the Black and Brown surnames a couple of counties from the western tip of North Carolina on the same census pages showing they were neighbors and other later census records say she was born in NC. There is a record of Mary Black marrying John Brown in 1818 in Lawrence County, Alabama. After John died Mary and her kids moved to Arkansas.
The little bit of info on the Yamacraw that I have indicates that they are part of the YAMASEE people ,the Yamasee people speak a Muskhogean dialect.
you can find this info in a book by John Reed Swanton{ Indian Tribes of North America }
Here is a quote from page 116, Of some historical importance is a small band of these indians who seem to have lived with the Apalachicola for a time,after the Yamasee war,and in 1730 settled on the site of what is now Savannah under the name of Yamacraw.
Hope this helps Dan
George
P.S. the Apalachicola people are also Muskhogean speaking people.
George;
Thank you so much! You were right. The yamacraw seem to have also been associated with the Creek Confederacy. Their band was never very large, around 100 souls.
The Yamacraws envited the English to build a trading fort at the present site of Savannah, Ga. and darn if the whites didn’t take over.
George, have you ever heard why a little piece of Kentucky was named after them or if present day Ky. was a location of their wanderings?
I remember an old 1740’s map somewhere that showed Savannah Shawnees living across the Tennessee River from the Overhills Cherokee.
Dan Akin.
Thank you so much for the info on the Green/ Sizemore connections. My ggg grandmother was Mahala Sizemore,grt. grand daughter of Edward Sizemore b abt 1725 Va.
Thanks to you and so many others our search was made a little easier today. You furbished new leads and places to search.
Although it is still unclear what we are in our Sizemore line. One thing is for sure, we are all human. I hate the racial check marks required on forms. I often times check other and write human.
Edward B Sizremore settled in Logan Co. Pineville WVa and left that area in 1853 and went into Webster Co. WV. He later returned to Pineville where he passed on to spirit in 1856. But his family members remained in Webster Co. There are Greens in Diana, Webster Co WVa. They owned and operated the general store and post office for yrs. I just think its strange that after all that time had past, the Green and Sizrmore names keep popping up in the same areas.
Again Thanks
And
Happy Hunting
Is your Edward Sizemore the Edward (“Ned”) Sizemore, b. abt. 1725 LUNENBURG Co., Va. ?
Land listed “Entry Record Book” dated Oct 9, 1746, 400 acres on the South side of Banister (Riv.) opposite the mouth of PoleCat Crk. (This corresponds to the year he would have turned 21 and “of legal age” to own land.)
(Bannister River begins in the present county of Pittsylvania and flows thru Halifax County before it flows into the Dan River east of South Boston, Va.)
(This Edward d. 1810 Hawkins Co., Tenn)
A possible clue to his father:
William Sizemore, bought (from Edw’d Owen) 200 acres on the north side of the Banister below the mouth of Wynne’s Crk, 5 years earlier on Oct 17, 1741.
(this was a very convoluted arrangement: This land was first surveyed for Wm. Sizemore by P.F., but was entered by Joseph CLOUD who transferred it to Edw’d OWEN, who then sold it to Wm. Sizemore.)
This line contains some Sizemores who passed thru Floyd, Clay, Maggofin Co. Ky and some of these went to Ohio and WVa.
I found a website (Lella Hite’s) with a ton of Sizemore data and photos if this is your line. (#@$&!* – I didn’t check to see if it could be accessed directly from the forum – I’ll do that and post it if it works.)
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Henry GREEN, Oct 13, 1743 – 400 acres on the north side of the Dan River. (would have been Brunswick Co in 1743)
(bear in mind that the Virginia – N.Carolina border was not accurately surveyed until about 1790 and no one was certain if they lived in Va. or N.C. prior to that. Many of these Land Entry Records are in fact for land in NC. that borders present-day Va.)
Bill
Lella Hite’s website:
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/t/Lella-Hite/index.html?Welcome=1082816475
scroll down for photos and “Sizemore Births and Deaths”
ot go to
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/h/i/t/Lella-Hite/COL1-0002.html
for Edward (Ned) Sizemore.
Greetings all,
Sorry about staying away so long. I found something that I feel will interest all you Green descendents. In the Virginia Magazine of History and Biography Vol. VIII No. I, July 1900 pp 5-11 gives the testimonies of people from the Ft. Christanna region in 1711 for the VA_NC Boundry Case. The comissonors interview Anglo and Natives. Please note the use of Anglo-surnames in use already by 1711.
pg 4 “Exam. of ye Wyanoke Indian Women yet live at ye Nottoway Towne..Jenny, Cpt. Pearce’s daughter, aged as we suppose about sixty…”
pg 6 “Vig’a: Nansemond Indian Town….Thom Green & others, old men of ye Nottoway Indians, aged as we suppose, about seventy-five..”
Didn’t the Nottoway, and Wyanoke go to Ft. Christanna? Could the Greens of Greenstown and those of Blackfoot ID have come from this man?
Charles Orear
PS I hope Dan Akin reads this post.
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