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asampson41;38105 wrote: Hi everyone,
I am new to this site and I am impressed with all of the information everyone has to share! some of my family surnames include Bennett (my mother was a Bennett, and it is the focus of my research), Brown, Ross, Evans, Tye, Gorby, Sadler. I am looking forward to learning from this site.
Jogdelog! Welcome to SaponiTown.
Have you seen Ted Collins’ site: About My COLLINS Research including BUNCH, BURNETT, HURST, HUTCHISON, PETTYJOHN, BLACKSTONE, BARLOW etc.
There are 400+ Bennetts listed there, and also many Brown, Ross, and Evans.
Jimbo;4138 wrote: Of further interest to me is my kinship with prominent Beckley-ites the Hedrickses Not only were the Hedricks descended from the same Vines line (a generation earlier than Silas), they also married some Fink cousins. The Hedrickses were/are very dark of complexion, hair, etc. Photos and personal testimony relay that. The son of one Hedrick who is buried in the same cemetery as Silas and my Fink great-grandad was actually my wife’s pediatrician. She describes him as having features not unlike her father’s, who was 1/4 Shawnee?/Cherokee?
Searching our DNA cousin links I found a White cousin from Randolph Co Indiana whose Miller line connects to ours in Pendleton Co WV. Our Miller’s left WV for IN sometime around the 1830s. Isaac Taylor Miller I believe is 1st cousin 1x removed to Mary Ann Miller, my 4th great-grandmother born in Pendelton WV 1807. Isaac Miller’s mother is Susannah Hedrick.
Susannah Hedrick 1798-1879The surnames with mixed history that are in our line and our White cousin’s line include Bayley/Bailey, Miller, White, Hunt and Brown. The Hunts I believe to be descendants of ancestors who were on Col William Eaton’s land in Granville County mid-1700s. The other lines are ones with oral history form multiple sources. The Baileys connect to the Dillon’s WV – documented by Brenda Collins Dillon. Our White cousin matches several Indiana Jones-Smith cousins in our line. Green and Hamilton surnames mentioned in this thread are also connected to these lines in our tree.
Linda;3899 wrote: With impeccable timing Airy Dixon (Heriberto Dixon, PhD) has just sent me a copy of an article he’s written that has just been published in the “American Indian Culture and Research Journal: 26:3 (200) 63-84
At the Quakers & Native Americans Conference I recently attended there was a panel discussion on The Quakers and the Seneca. One of the speakers was Laurence M. Hauptman. He spoke about groups that merged into the Haudenosaunee. During the question and answer period I asked about Saponi/Siouan groups that merged into the Seneca. He took my name and promised to send me more info. A few weeks later I got a package from Airy Dixon including the pages of the journal you referenced. Working to absorb that info and this thread. As much time as I’ve spent on SaponiTown there always seem to be new threads I find with pertinent info!
Linda;3590 wrote: I’ve been hearing from a gentleman with some very interesting family connections he’s trying to track down. I’ve got the picture of his grandmother on the first page of my “Other Blackfoot” article, and this weekend he wrote me with some interesting news. His girlfriend, who’s a Seneca, noticed that a number of the names I’ve listed there, Harris, Williams, Scott, Jones, Buck, are found among the Seneca, and that there are those who, though registered as Seneca, know they have Saponi descent.
I find this very fascinating, since we know some Saponi were adopted after 1723, but there were so many people taken captive during the years of warfare between the Saponi and the Seneca. There had to be plenty of Saponi captives already there when the tribal group was adopted in. It was kind of like “we might as well go on up there, most everybody’s there already.’
It’s an interesting irony about traditional Indain warfare. A protracted feud meant that your “enemy” was slowly transforming into your “cousin.”
I also find this fascinating. Of the four grandparent lines to my mother, three link heavily with others here on SaponiTown. The fourth line is a question mark, but has multiple generations living in the frontier/’Indian Country’, and taking the first name Seneca. Buck and Jones are lines they marry into.
It seems others have looked for the same links in the tribal villages of 1700s PA.
Have many similar stories in my family. The bird flying inside the house meaning someone has died. As a real story not as a superstition. Having stronger than normal intuition. Being very connected to animals. Learning from animals. Spiritually a person learned by spending time alone in nature. This was passed to me not as a Blackfoot or a Quaker (Christian) practice. But as both or a combination of the two that became something else together, like Melungeon, but not by that name.
Where I grew up there was a lot of poison ivy I used to never get it. Once I got older and moved to CA I got poision oak a bunch of times. I spent a lot of time in the forest and bushwacked remote areas. The oak is not easy to spot when it has no leaves in winter. Where I grew up it is not like in Southern CA. Now poison ivy in Ontario gives me a bit of a problem. There were are a ton of mosquitos where I grew up, and horse flies, deer flies, black flies, no-see-ums and they all bite me. I use deet and long sleeves. When I say a ton I mean there are places in the swamps where there are so many they end up flying into your eyes and mouth even covered in deet.
Our family has been blessed with good physical health and there are not many problems except self caused ones. Alcohol, depression and mental issues are more of a problem. Healing the spirit is the medicine for that.
My mother wrote a book of the stories from my grandmother and grandfather. There was a strong effort to keep stories alive in my family, but also a small family and early deaths so it has been a struggle at times. It’s too long to post here but I will start another thread like the one Brenda Collins Dillon did.
It’s not a lineal descent. The descendant of Benjamin D Green of Licking Co married my 2g-granduncle, not my 2g-grandfather.
Bill Childs;3782 wrote:
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On the 1810 Licking Co., Ohio Tax List :
Charles, in Granville Twp.
George, in Granville Twp.
2 Benjamins, in Licking Twp.
Daniel, in Licking Twp.
James, in Newton Twp.
James, in Union Twp.
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This Benjamin D Green 1755-1883 in Licking in 1810 is the 3x g-grandfather of my 2x g-granduncle.
So…
My 2x-g-grandfather Dora MCS Smith passed the Blackfoot oral history in our family.
His brother David B Smith 1878-1939 married Louretta Mae Green 1881-1947 her 2x g-granfather was Benjamin Green.
Their daughter Gladys Smith 1907-1979 is my 1st cousin 3x removed.
In case you don’t have it already… On GedMatch I’m M223631, my sister is M217791, my mother M103622, my uncle M026223. Also on 23andMe we have my grandmother’s 1st cousin from the Dora MCS Smith line above – whose brother married into the Greens.
My mother is awaiting the results of a full mtDNA test from FTDNA. I’ve just mailed off an FTDNA test for myself, my previous one was through 23andMe.
Patsy;1882 wrote: I am researching the Huff surname on my maternal family. Family oral history suggests that Huff is a Blackfoot or Cherokee name. My great grandmother Harriet Huff was born in Cumberland Gap, TN. Is anyone familiar with the surname in the Smoky Mountain regions of TN/NC and Native American tribe affiliation?
My family oral history is Blackfoot. The Huff name is not in my line, but I have seen the name come up in my GedMatch DNA + genealogy matches. If these are the same as your Huffs the migration pattern fits. The earliest one I’ve seen in other’s genealogy is Leonard Huff b 1720 d 1800. m.1743 Elizabeth Stout of Halifax Co VA. Their children are listed as:
+William Huff (b. , 1743d. Mar 1803)
Joseph Huff (b. , 1750d. 27 Sep 1827)
Francis Huff (b. , 1759d. 1788)
Nathan Huff
Leonard Huff (b. , 1754d. 1842)
John Huff (b. , 19 Jan 1758d. 14 Mar 1843)
Samuel Huff (b. , 1750d. 1815)
Peter Huff (b. , 1753d. 1830)
Daniel Huff (b. , 1746d. 1805)
Thomas Huff (b. )
Thomas Huff (b. , 22 Feb 1732d. 2 Apr 1832)
John and Peter died in Cocke Co TN – Thomas in TN as well
Joseph died in Iron Co MO
Samuel in Marion IL
William married Mary Hungate (b 1749 d 1826) in 1768 in VA. The moved to Mercer Co KY sometime after the 1770s and they and their kids stayed there.
lomonvm;263 wrote:
My Surnames are, Simon and Osborn Jeffreys, Hill, Norfleet, Rhodes, Walker,Chisholm, Ryves,Chism, Green, Thomas, Brown, Davis, Martin, Webb, Nordin, Fuller, Carroll, Daniel, Webb, Mathews, Emmons, Grubbs, Bennett, Mayes, Laymon or Lehmann, Reeves, Green, Ford, Maxey, Lewallen, Walden, Rhodes, Spear, Cotton, Blair,Harrell, etc.
Harrell, Cotton and Llewellyn are ancestors names in my g-grandmother Maude Marshall’s line.
cherosage;38358 wrote: MarcSnelling, this is Bob Woolery. I live in MO. I’m more interested in your Snelling family name. how much do you know about this family lineage? Thanks, and have a great day.
Hi Bob,
My Snelling name is from my father’s side and isn’t a Saponi line. Snell=fast in Dutch. My father emmigrated from Southern England in the 60s and I can trace the line back to the 1500s in southeast England. DNA shows all my living relatives on that side are in England or Australia. I have seen the name in research – but it is not connected to my line. There is also no connection from my line to Fort Snelling – site of the 1862 mass hanging of Dakota people.
peace
-Marc
The marriage is listed on Ancestry.com trees…
From Luther/Blake/Gilmore/Fair/St.John/Roy-King/Foster/Coon/Govone Family Tree:
John C Austin 1700-1760 marries Hannah Honor Love 1702-1778 in Pittsylvania Co, VA 1725.
In this tree the Austin name continues for five generations until Julia Amanda Austin 1836-1923 marries Abraham Yates Smith 1830-1873 in Harrison WV. Similar to my tree; also in Harrison WV, a Smith showing up around 1800 listing birthplace as VA and no other info, marrying into a known mixed line.
Austinlynn;38529 wrote: When someone comes from Independence VA or elk creek VA with no parents that you can find, do you suppose they are native american?
Creed Knucolls Vaughan, ( Oct 10,1844- D 1920) Indepencance, gratin Co VA, or Vaughn, has a father Meredeth Vaughn,(1816-1900) and Polly Shupe (May 15 1815- D- before 1880) , Nothing after Meredith Vaughn. Cant find parents for Meredith.
Creed knuckles Vaughn— Married- Peggie Jennings (b june 30 1854) (D March 1 1809) married Feb 11, 1872 they produced Susan Charity Vaughan(Vaughn)(b 6 june 1875 Grayson co. VA) (d 26 Nov 1927 Sodus Michigan) who married on( April 8 1895)William Stephan Austin(b 06,april 1869, d 03 March 1953). Susan Charity was their oldest daughter.
I’d say it fits a pattern I see over and over again in the trees of DNA cousins, who suspect those lines are Native American. Many times these lines are named Smith or Jones. When these Smith/Jones from VA appear and marry into a line that has more known history it is always a line with documented or strong circumstantial evidence of being Native American.
The Indiana Jones-Smith line I have researched heavily in our family is certainly the case. Our Francis Smith is a brick wall. Although his wife Massa Jones, who has been difficult to track, has many connections to surnames on Haithcock’s Catawba surname list. The brother of my Massa Jones – John Jones had children who married into Simmons, Poff, and Burton – all on the list.
Other times when I see the pattern of an unknown Smith showing up in other trees, they are marrying into other names on that list, like Sizemore, Riddle, Bolling, Findley/Findly, Brown. Austin/Austen is another name on this list.
Interesting to read about Bailey and Indiana connection. In my family there is a question if our Baileys (Bayley) were of mixed native heritage. James Bayley married Eve Ponchus (Pontius) 6 October 1807 in Ross Co Ohio. There is no record of his birthdate, birth place listed as Fredericktown, Maryland. His father’s name was William, no other information on him or his wife.
Their son Andrew Bayley married into the Millers from West Virginia. There are family rumors of the Millers having native heritage. Andrew was born 6 Oct 1811 in Circleville Ohio, Mary Ann Miller was born 7 Dec 1807 in Pendelton Co WV. Andrew and Mary moved to Indiana and had eight children. Their first born was Zillah Bayley 31 July 1836 in Marion, Grant Co, Indiana. She marred Nathan A Coppock, another line with rumors of mixed heritage. Zillah died 2 Sep 1919 in Indianapolis. Her picture is attached below.
MaryGeorgia;1513 wrote: I’m a first time user here and don’t have much info..I’m looking for anything on Walter and/or John Buck who may have been in Muncie Indiana/DelawareCo. in early 1920’s.thanks
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MaryGeorgia
I have several ancestors from Delaware Co IN but not a Buck. I do have one in Jay Co IN. Benjamin Brower m. Isabel Buck – 11 Jan 1837. This was Benjamin’s second wife. His first wife was Elizabeth Bechtel (Beetel).