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Charles, old friend, it is so very good to hear from you. I hope you are all well. Thank you for the info. It is quite possible that my Greens were Nottaway. There was a community that sprang up around the old Nottaway village in Virginia. The Wynnes were a part of the mix there and were interpretors to the Nottaway. They became a part of the migration into old Lunenburg County Va. (Dan and Roanoke rivers watershed) then to the New River and beyond. I am also interested in their possible connection to the Wynns of 1800 and Fayette Co. Ky. These Ky. Wynns removed to Mo. after the War of 1812 and are related and intermarried into my gggrandmother’s family of Brink. Boone County Mo. families that claim ancient Cherokee ancestors. Thank you Charles. I will send this on to the Green Family Historical Society.
Dan.
Interesting. There are Greens in Greentown, Brunswick County, VA who say they are Blackfoot. That’s my ex’s family. On his father’s side, from Mecklenburg, Va, the next county over, there’s Wynns, though the relationship is “unofficial” or what they liked to call “illegitimate” in those days. By blood, my last name (by marriage) should be Wynn.
Just thought I would throw something into the Green information here in case it provides another piece of the puzzle to someone.
My folks, like Brenda Dillon Collins’ people, were in SW VA, so I tend to check out the old SWVA counties, etc. From the Russell County USgenweb site is the following article referencing a LEWIS and a JAMES GREEN. I kept the bit abt. Kilgore in the quote because it details nicely the migration route some of these early settlers took before finally winding up where ever they died.
This Lewis Green and James Green, etc. were settled on Stony Creek near Blackmore’s Fort. The Minutes for the Stony Creek Baptist Church are one of the earliest places the word “Melungeon” was recorded. The oral hisory was that the Melungeons claimed to be friendly Indians who came west with the settlers. Ft. Blackmore is noted. A Jack Goins has done a lot of research on this Saponi migration to SWVA, TN…it overlaps with Brenda Dillon Collins work, and this area is where all my line found themselves– at least this way back area of SWVA. Anyway, I thought that it might be important for you to know abt. these Greens.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~varussel/indian/56.html
. “….M. Addington, History of Scott County, page 303, says:
In march, 1783 (incorrect date) Charles Kilgore (error: Robert Kilgore, his brother), James Green, and a man by the name of McKinney, left Ft. Blackmore and went to the Pound River in Wise County to hunt, and while there were surprised by the Indians, and Charles (Robert) and James Green were killed. McKinney made his escape and returned to the fort. A searching party led by McKinney found the bodies of Charles Kilgore (Robert Kilgore) and James Green, and buried them in the hollow of a large chestnut tree on the north bank of Pound Rive,r a short distance above the mouth of Indian Creek.
Mr. Addington is definitely wrong on the date that James Green was killed, but as to whether Charles Kilgore was killed or not there are facts that seem to deny it and others that seem to bear it out, as will be shown.
The date of the killing of James Green is proven by Russell Co., VA, Court Order Book 3, page 266, dated the 27th of December, 1803, which entry reads: “Ordered that it be certified to the Registrar of the Land Office that it is proven to this court that James Green is the son and heir at law of James Green, who was killed by the savages on the 31st of December, 1782, and that the said James Green, the younger was born on the 12th of February, 1783.”
James Green who was slain was a son of Lewis Green, and had settled on Stony Creek near Blackmore’s Fort. He had married Jane, the daughter of Patrick and Ann Porter of Porter’s Fort, who was born September 9, 1761. James Green, Jr., born posthumously, was the only child of James and Jane Porter Green. James Green, Jr., married Dulcena, a daughter of Samuel and Jaelia Duncan Stallard. Sometime after the slaying of James Green, his widow married Robert Kilgore, and they built the old Kilgore fort house still standing in Scott Co., VA on Copper Creek, west of Nickelsville. Here they lived out the balance of their lives, and Robert, born June 30, 1765, dying on march 29, 1854, and his wife Jane, on September 25, 1842.
Charles Kilgore had emigrated from Orange Co., NC, and settled on the east side of Falling Creek, opposite Porter’s Fort, on a tract of 286 acres of land in the year 1773, with his wife, Winnie Clayton (error: Winnie was the wife of his brother, Robert Kilgore) and his family. He served and was wounded at the Battle of Kings Mountain. Both James Green and Charles Kilgore appear in the 1782 tithable lists of Washington Co., VA, but in 1783, only his wife Winnie appears, as does Jane Green, the wife of James. (Error: Charles Kilgore does appear on the 1783 Washington Co., VA Tithable list). This would seem to bear out the fact that both James Green and Charles Kilgore were dead in 1783.
Some aver that Charles Kilgore sold his land in Scott Co. and removed to Greene Co., TN, where he died. There is also evidence to bear out this assertion, that is, if the two Charles Kilgores were one and the same. Katherine Keagh White, in her book, King’s Mountain Men, says of this Charles that he was a Private under Campbell at King’s Mountain and was wounded. He was placed on the pension rolls of Greene Co. in 1809, and in 1820 he is listed as an invalid with an annual allowance of $48 a year.
Charles Kilgore had a son, Charles Kilgore, Jr., who was born in Orange Co., NC, January 4, 1764. Charles Kilgore, Jr., filed a Revolutionary pension claim in Davies Co., Indiana, in 1833, in which he tells of his serving on the Southwestern Virginia frontier as an Indian spy and guarding the frontier forts. No place in this pension statement does he mention being at the battle of King’s Mountain, but definitely lists all his services as on the frontier. This Charles Kilgore says that in 1787 he moved to Greene Co., TN, where he lived for six or seven years. If, as he says, he lived in Greene Co., six or seven years, then he could not have been the Charles who was pensioned in 1809. From Greene Co. he says he moved to Pendleton Co., SC, where he lived a few years, and then back t Washington Co., VA, thence to Wayne Co., KY, where he lived until 1815. This latter date would also eliminate him as the Charles who was allowed a pension in Greene Co., TN, in 1820. From Wayne Co., KY he moved to Lawrence, then on to Davies Counties in Indiana, where he died June 1, 1857…….”
Brenda
Dan Akin
I found this website searching for my Lewis family it has some Green(e) in it but I did not see a Gardner.
It also has alot of Lunenberg, Mecklenburg families in it too. I think it said 82,000 names.
Carroll
Brenda,
Good find there. Hello, my name is Charles Orear, my maternal Grandmother and her family came from Lawrence/Elliot County KY. You will find the Greens you mentioned having migrated into that area there on the Big Sandy, along with the Stallards and others. I recently found out way back in the ol’ family tree I descend from these same Stallards and Duncans. The families from this area that I descend from that I am most interested in at this time are,
Creech
Prince
Holbrook
Sparks
Rigsby,Riggsby
Skaggs
Wheeler
Deboard
Terry
Charles
Hi everyone,
I descend from the Wynnes….one line out of Surry County who married into my Sessums line and I believe we also descend from the indian interpreter Wynnes although this one is not completely proven it looks like it is probable and most likely. Those Wynnes mixed with the Nottoways quite regular. 😀 Funny thing when I was in high school one of my best friends was a Wynne we had no idea we are most likely distant cousins. Good ole Edgecombe County North Carolina is full of mixed bloods. One of my aunts maiden name is Winn.
Linda
Dan,
My family followed a similar migration pattern as yours. We have an oral tradition of Cherokee descent and we also claimed “Blackfoot” and “Black Kettle Dutch.” I always thought that the Blackfoot designation was completely off-track as that tribe originated in the Northwest. Through further searching I found the Saponi site and possible connections.
My family surnames include Goff, Thompson, Stevenson, Ranson, and others. I have found through census records That our ancestors lived in S/E Kentuckey (Pulaski County), Tenessee, Virginia, etc., then moved on to Illinois in the 1830’s. Then migrating into Missouri in the late 1830’s early 1840’s. They were in Boone Co. for the 1850 census, then moved on to Morgan, Cooper, and Benton Co.’s.
I looked into the Northern Cherokee groups as a possible answer to my searching, but like you, I’m not sure about the accuracy of their claims. I will post my family history to the geaneology section when I have more time. My grandfather’s generation had the appearence of being at least 1/2 NA. Many of us, including me, still have high cheekbones, darker skin, black/brown hair and dark brown eyes, etc.
Thanks,
Bryan Lewis
Originally posted by Brenda Ferrell Sampsel
Just thought I would throw something into the Green information here in case it provides another piece of the puzzle to someone.
This Lewis Green and James Green, etc. were settled on Stony Creek near Blackmore’s Fort. The Minutes for the Stony Creek Baptist Church are one of the earliest places the word “Melungeon” was recorded. The oral hisory was that the Melungeons claimed to be friendly Indians who came west with the settlers. Ft. Blackmore is noted. A Jack Goins has done a lot of research on this Saponi migration to SWVA, TN…it overlaps with Brenda Dillon Collins work, and this area is where all my line found themselves– at least this way back area of SWVA. Anyway, I thought that it might be important for you to know abt. these Greens.
http://www.rootsweb.com/~varussel/indian/56.html
“…The date of the killing of James Green is proven by Russell Co., VA, Court Order Book 3, page 266, dated the 27th of December, 1803, which entry reads: “Ordered that it be certified to the Registrar of the Land Office that it is proven to this court that James Green is the son and heir at law of James Green, who was killed by the savages on the 31st of December, 1782, and that the said James Green, the younger was born on the 12th of February, 1783.”
James Green who was slain was a son of Lewis Green, and had settled on Stony Creek near Blackmore’s Fort. He had married Jane, the daughter of Patrick and Ann Porter of Porter’s Fort, who was born September 9, 1761. James Green, Jr., born posthumously, was the only child of James and Jane Porter Green. James Green, Jr., married Dulcena, a daughter of Samuel and Jaelia Duncan Stallard. Sometime after the slaying of James Green, his widow married Robert Kilgore, and they built the old Kilgore fort house still standing in Scott Co., VA on Copper Creek, west of Nickelsville. Here they lived out the balance of their lives, and Robert, born June 30, 1765, dying on march 29, 1854, and his wife Jane, on September 25, 1842. …”
Brenda
Not sure if these two Greens are related to the Greens that settled on Stony Creek near BLACKMORE’s FORT, but I would guess so. Isn’t Pittsylvania Co. a “hotspot” for NA?
from:
List of Tithables Taken by Thomas Dillard, Jr in June 1767
FIRST LIST OF TITHABLES OF PITTSYLVANIA COUNTY, YEAR 1767
The History of Pittsylvania County by Maud Carter Clement
A Lewis & William Green were living in the county.
Also a Benjamin POTTER, others of interest…..
Brenda
From “Entry Record Book, 1737 – 1770”, covering the area which later became Halifax, Pittsylvania, Henry, Franklin & Patrick counties, Virginia.
“Oct 4, 1743: Lewis GREEN enters for 400 acres of land on the south side of Irwin River….”
“Oct 13, 1743: Henry GREEN enters for 400 acres on the north side of Dan River between Jas. Parish and Wm Beans….”
(Jas. Parish had entered on Sep.28,1741:
400 acres in the Fork of Sycamore Crk.
400 acres in the fork of Ready Crk.
400 acres on Sandy Crk at the upper Buffaloe Lick.)
“1755. July 14: Wm Irby GREEN 400 acres on Jno. Cargill’s line on the little or Tom’s fork of Cane Crk…”
“Ap. 27, 1748: Wm Atkinson 400 on both sides of Flat Creek, a so. branch of Pig River….. transfered to Lewis POTTER.”
about a generation later:
“1764. 20 Sepr.: Benjamin POTTER 400 acres on the So. side Pig River….”
“1764. 11th Decr.: William LUCUS 400 on Turkey Creek begining at Thos. POTTER’s lower line…” (Thomas named sons Lewis and Benjamin and being in the same general area as Lewis Potter, strongly suggests that Lewis Potter is the father of Benjamin and Thomas.)
I would suspect that Lewis Green’s and Lewis Potter’s lines were related earlier.
………
Bill
Thanks, Bill, for adding to this. I should mention that the above list [actually, lists] for Pittsylvania County can be found in the archives of the CUMBERLAND-RIVER-L@rootsweb.com mailing list Wednesday, April 23, 2003 from June Bork. One of the lists can be found at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapittsy/tith.htm
A List of Tithables for Pittsylvania County Taken by John Wilson, Gentl, in Year 1767
And includes the following interesting “Indian” notation:
Moses Ridle (Indian)
William Ridle
[Riddle, I presume….]
John Wynne
John Ferrol
Henry Greens Land
Etc.
Bill,
Does your source have anything on this John Ferrol/Ferrell?
I am looking for a John Ferrell, possible father to my William Ferrell, b. abt. 1740 or so, died June 1778 at Thompson’s Creek, Washington Co., VA.
Thanks,
Brenda
Brenda,
From that same source:
“1766. 21. Novr., John FARRILL 400 Ac(res) on the Walnut Bottom fork at the Town Cr(eek) beg(ining) at CHILDS upper line then up on both sides the sd fork.”
…….
Bill
Here’s my William Potter information:
William Potter b. 28 Aug 1767 Baltimore city
Maryland married abt 1792 to Racheal Horner
b. 28 Apr 1777 Queenstown, Queen Annes co,
Maryland. William Potter died 24 Jun 1853
Hickory Grove Cemetery, Emeline, Jackson co.
Iowa. Racheal Horner-Potter,died 24 Oct 1865
same as husband.
Children:
1)Nathan Potter b.29 Oct 1795 Baltimore, MD,
d. 3 Aug 1879 Jones co.,IA. Married 1) Fanny
Duel on 27 nov 1821, Licking co., OH 2)
Elspy Gilmore
2)Susannah Potter b.20 Nov 1798 Baltimore, MD
married Hyatt Willison 8 DEC 1818 Licking co,
OH.
3)Luke Potter b.28 April 1802 Fairfax co. VA
d. 30 Oct 1859 Jackson co.,IA. Married
Jane Sinkey 12 DEC 1821 Licking co., OH.
b,1804 d.15 Apr 1858
Daughter of William Sinkey 1750-1840 &
Mary McCartney
4)William Potter b. 1804 Fairfax co.,VA
d.1858 Jones co.,IA. Married 21 Aug 1827 Licking co.,OH 1) Eliza Dewel b.1804 NY d. 1832. 2) widow Mrs. Julia Dewel d. 1876.
5)Rachel Potter b.15 Nov 1808 Fairfax co.,VA
Married George S. Duel d. 7 Dec 1861
on 23 DEC 1825 Licking co,OH
6)Nicolas Potter b.2 FEB 1815 Licking co.,OH
7)Benjamin Potter b.7 DEC 1818 Licking co.,OH
8) Nancy Potter b.27 Jun 1822 Licking co.,OH
Per a introduction in the book of poems
written by George Duel,grandson to William
& Racheal Horner-Potter, titled
“Armeggedon” published 1905,
William Potter’s father was also a William
Potter, he came from England as a young man
married a English girl (Ruth Nancy Davis)
and both died of the plague in Baltimore Maryland in 1780.
William Potter b. 1767 appears to have two
older brothers. 1) b. 1763 and 2) b.1765.
their names have not been discovered.
William Potter, joined the 10th Virginia
Regiment as a private.He was 13yrs old in
1780 when he joined Lt. Nathan Lamm’s
company a foot.
Techteach
Here’s those pictures you sent me some time ago when I was moving, of Andrew Jackson Sinkey and Nikonha, the “Last of the Tutelo.”
Here is a very interesting query from the 1997 archives of the Lower Delmarva mail list at rootsweb.com:
“Still looking for Catherine GREEN b. 1815, dau. of Robert GREEN (b. 17??).
New family stories say she came to Somerset from Blackfoot Rez. in Sussex
Co., DE.
She is in Tyaskin HH 880, Somerset Co. 1850 Census. This is the William
HORNER household. Listed, in order, are (GREENs only) John S. GREEN age 13,
Aretta GREEN age 8, Jesse GREEN age 7, and Catherine GREEN age 35.
Q: Why is she listed last? We have no proof that these are her kids. The
family has her as Native American. Could this be the reason?
We haven’t found her anywhere else. Oh, assuming this is her since her son
John Henry GREEN b. Mar 22, 1852 married William HORNER’s dau. Julia Ann b.
Mar 15, 1862. But have found what we are hoping to be her mother Kitty
GREEN (b. 1800) in every census checked up to 1860. She (Kitty) was listed
as a free colored person in 1840 Som. Census pg. 206. This would confirm a
Native heritage?
Back to Catherine (Katie). The family elders also say she married John Mace
WILLIS (b. Aug 6 1835)(he later married Elizabeth DORSEY according to his
will). And sometime after she beared John Henry GREEN (taking his mother’s
surname according to Nanticoke custom) John Mace’s parents came to the
Somerset rez (?) and took him home.
Family elders do remember lawyers coming to John Henry’s home in Dorch. Co,
to fullfil his father’s will and John turned it down saying his father was
no help when he was alive so why should he be when he is dead.
Anyone have any suggestions, further info, or just plain “give up”? Three
cousins and I are all searching everywhere for info and can find absolutely
nothing linking her to anyone else or anywhere else. Or is there anyone in
the area (or anywhere) that specializes in this kinda situation.
Thanks,
John (the Desperate)
John Starkey
This would suggest that there were folks still referring to Blackfoot Town or “Blackfoot Rez” as a place after 1785. For GREEN researchers, here is another family tradition that links Green with Blackfoot and Native American heritage. Is John Starkey on our list here????
Brenda
“Mary Catherine PAYTON is daughter of Elizabeth Ann “Liz” WALSTRUM b 1827 d.
1969 in Milford and William Joseph PAYTON. Another mystery. “Liz” also later
married Howarth “Howard” Demmy. I was told that William Joseph PAYTON died and
left “Liz” a widow with 4 children. She later had 2 more with “Howard”. One of
these two sides, WALSTRUM or PAYTON were of Blackfoot Indian Descent. She
looked Indian. As I recall as a child she had Long Black Straight Hair. Had those
features of an Indian woman. Mary (grandmom) did too. But stories came that
it was William PAYTON’s side that was Blackfoot Indian. So far I havent found
anything more about this story. I do remember at a family reunion, cookout,
that this is true but not enough of the story to “know” for sure who and where
the connections come in. Hopefully someday I will learn the whole story…..”
and
“….land description in patent of Forrest Grove, 1755 states it is on the west side of road from Snow Hill to Blackfoot Town(which I know is Dagsboro). The road I assume is roughly today’s hwy 113 but the description goes on to say one quarter of a mile above the “forks of the roads.” Where would that have been?”
Most of the colonial properties identified at or near “the head of St.
Martins River” lie basically at the border – on both sides – right on the east side
of the Swamp. “
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